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> if you are sitting inside your bubble and laughing at the outsiders, who don't even come to your bubble, is there any toxicity going on? Yes.
So what does toxicity mean then?
Expressed bigotry, typically.
Twitter tests Reddit-style upvote and downvote buttons
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Re: Twitter tests Reddit-style upvote and downvote buttons
#362I think up and down voting are great, however what is dumb is that neither has a cost. If you think of karma as an economy, taking an action should have a cost. Of course this leads to the question: if voting has a cost, then how do people accumulate irrespective of themselves receiving a vote? You could give everyone say, a fixed number of karma to begin with that could then be allocated. You can then give people mo…
>You can then give people more karma for successfully being a user without being flagged or receiving certain amounts of negative karma for a time period. So a few users only have to band together and target one individual to limit their karma spend?
Sure but the entire point was that they’d have to pay for that privilege. Presumably you could make subsequent blocks exponentially expensive.
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Have you been to a knitting forum lately? Holy shit they were one of the first to get heavily politicizes. You'll be ostracized from r/knitting if you're not left of Stalin.
The word I get from a knitting friend (absolutely not left of Stalin, more a centrist Democrat and corporate apologist) is that disingenuous right wing trolls started disrupting the knitting forums by being intentionally confrontational.
Were the trolls also Russians?
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#365Earlier quoted context omitted.
Reddit is not toxic if you agree with the majority views. If not it is probably the most toxic social media. So other views people leave and so reddit remains a bubble of like minded people that don't see their toxicity. You can just look at some popular subreddits like iata i am the asshole or idiotsincar or murdered by words, justiceserved to name a few and many other where people just laugh and are being toxic tow…
>For a good mental health is imperative to avoid reddit, or at least just take part in tech/thinvs you love, but even there the neagtive and frustrated people will bring their issue there. I got into a real black hole of posting about politics on Reddit during lockdown, which as someone with fairly anti-authoritarian convictions couldn't have been timed more horrendously. Deleted all my accounts and it did wonders fo…
This is a good point. Reddit is a self-described hive mind and there are certainly things that will get you abused.
I imagine you were fairly safe from death and rape threats, as happens frequently on Twitter, but you're right it's not a welcoming place for everyone, at least outside of certain subs.
Reddit is a particular demographic and mostly a particular philosophical lean.
And there are ways for users to be dicks without the extreme behaviour you get on Twitter. I'm sure it happens on Reddit too but it seems more managed.
Re: Twitter tests Reddit-style upvote and downvote buttons
#366The problem is, is supposedly, upvote = adds to the conversation, downvote = detracts from conversation. In reality, upvote = I agree, downvote = I disagree. However I don't think anything can save twitter from being a toxic platform. What makes it especially toxic, I think, is its lack of separation of communities. Reddit is toxic sometimes, but at least there is some separation: if you just want to talk about knitt…
>”if you just want to talk about knitting, you can avoid the people talking about politics.” I don’t find this to be the case at all. The amount of politics tolerated in each subreddit is almost entirely dependent on the personalities of the mods who run it. And for whatever reason, most Reddit mods tend to be activist friendly or at least look the other way when it comes to obvious soapbox accounts breaking the rule…
That's true.
But the solution is to find a subreddit that works the way you want it to.
r/offmychest vs r/trueoffmychest
r/gaming vs r/truegaming
r/movies vs r/truefilm
r/unpopularopinion vs r/trueunpopularopinion
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#367Earlier quoted context omitted.
>”if you just want to talk about knitting, you can avoid the people talking about politics.” I don’t find this to be the case at all. The amount of politics tolerated in each subreddit is almost entirely dependent on the personalities of the mods who run it. And for whatever reason, most Reddit mods tend to be activist friendly or at least look the other way when it comes to obvious soapbox accounts breaking the rule…
I'm not super active on reddit, but I do frequent (mostly as a lurker) some subreddits from time to time, such as r/math, r/learnjapanese, r/history etc. I don't remember running into any sort of heated political argument in any of these subreddits. Of course, for other subreddits it might be different, but this is my experience.
The huge default subreddits like r/pics are the worst offenders.
Ones that actually have a real interest group are more reasonable.
Re: Twitter tests Reddit-style upvote and downvote buttons
#368The problem is, is supposedly, upvote = adds to the conversation, downvote = detracts from conversation. In reality, upvote = I agree, downvote = I disagree. However I don't think anything can save twitter from being a toxic platform. What makes it especially toxic, I think, is its lack of separation of communities. Reddit is toxic sometimes, but at least there is some separation: if you just want to talk about knitt…
"I disagree" and "detracts from the conversation" have a lot of overlap. A (subjectively) very wrong take on a subject distracts from where you think the conversation should be heading. On Reddit I see many comments, convincingly written, that are (imo) flatly wrong. These comments are potentially very harmful because they're persuading others of a falsehood. Am I supposed to upvote or downvote? (what I actually tend…
> subjectively
> falsehood
Subjectivity and truthiness are opposed.
* If the question is "who is the current world chess champion" the answer is Magnus Carlson.
* If the question is "who is the greatest chess player of all time," there are a number of contradictory opinions.
"Bobby Fischer" is a low-quality answer. "Bobby Fischer because XYZ" is a high-quality answer, even if I don't agree.
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#369Earlier quoted context omitted.
>For a good mental health is imperative to avoid reddit, or at least just take part in tech/thinvs you love, but even there the neagtive and frustrated people will bring their issue there. I got into a real black hole of posting about politics on Reddit during lockdown, which as someone with fairly anti-authoritarian convictions couldn't have been timed more horrendously. Deleted all my accounts and it did wonders fo…
This is a good point. Reddit is a self-described hive mind and there are certainly things that will get you abused. I imagine you were fairly safe from death and rape threats, as happens frequently on Twitter, but you're right it's not a welcoming place for everyone, at least outside of certain subs. Reddit is a particular demographic and mostly a particular philosophical lean. And there are ways for users to be dick…
Fortunately in my case at least the unpleasantness was limited to the odd loony stalking me across the site to carry on arguments that were several days stale. I did get told to kill myself once, but the person making that suggestion sounded so unhinged their rant had very little weight! To be honest it wasn't abuse from other users that were affecting my mental health at all, it was the never-ending doomscroll of depressing content and the people who seemed almost gleeful at bad news because it validated their worldview (and this ironically seems to apply across the political spectrum). /r/ukpolitics prior to perhaps 2015 or so was something really special because people entertained ideas they disagreed with for the purpose of debate, rather than this ideological total war that is the norm on the internet now where any inch of retreat is cowardly and any notion that the "enemy's" arguments might have a point is treason. Of course it wasn't perfect (/pol/ raided it from time to time which would crapflood the whole sub with obvious bait), but the arguments were mostly good-faith debate rather than simply rhetorical cudgels to hit your opponent with.
That's what made me leave Reddit fundamentally, I wanted a debate rather than a conflict. I want people who'll tell me why I'm wrong, not people who'll call me an irredeemable piece of shit for not clicking my fingers and 100% agreeing with some philosophy neither of us really had an in-depth knowledge of. It's like internet debates (especially on Twitter) have adopted the old Calvinist notion of "total depravity" for the modern age. It's not even about being right, it's about other people being wrong and that'll make you an angry, bitter person if you're jumping headlong into that world for hours a day.
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These examples seem overblown, and likely a false equivalence
Or instead of pontificating from your armchair, you could go check and see that it's actually pretty accurate. "It's a useless echo chamber" is the number one complaint I see about aita.
I can check from my armchair, thanks. You get lots of different opinions, it's just that the hive mind forms an opinion around whatever the current topic du jour is. This opinion changes day to day, it's not a place where people have political agendas that are exacerbated by like minds. It's just people in large groups.