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Re: Migrating Facebook to MySQL 8.0

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The hair on my neck still stands up when thinking about dealing with Oracle (and Sun) contracting, purchasing, and sales teams in the 90's.

Don't forget IBM

I have managed to find myself accidentally twice at the receiving end of IBM "services". Conclusion was pretty much same both times:

Never. F###ing. Again.

Re: Migrating Facebook to MySQL 8.0

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Perhaps it's due to me being in the PostgreSQL camp, but what happened to MariaDB? I was convinced that's where MySQL developers went and that's where development proceeded, while MySQL was just half dead, because Oracle did not care about it.

That was the expectation but the Oracle camp surprised everyone by actually giving it some attention, and meanwhile MariaDB's promise of being a "100% compatible drop-in replacement" came with more and more caveats with each release (as is to be entirely expected with any fork).

When you consider the network effect of all the stacks already heavily invested in MySQL, all Oracle really needed to do was put in a modicum of effort to MySQL to stave off the MariaDB migrations (and from my understanding they've put in quite a bit more than a modicum).

Lastly, Postgres is an interesting player. Migrating from MySQL to Postgres might be a scarier prospect than to MariaDB, but since the Oracle acquisition a lot of MySQL-veterans were looking for something non-MySQL for new projects and in that I get the sense Postgres beat out MariaDB.

Re: Migrating Facebook to MySQL 8.0

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The hair on my neck still stands up when thinking about dealing with Oracle (and Sun) contracting, purchasing, and sales teams in the 90's.

Don't forget IBM

What's it like working at IBM? I've seen it get good ratings online

Re: Migrating Facebook to MySQL 8.0

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Wow. Why don't they use in-house Google databases, which are supposedly vastly more scalable than MySQL?

Because there is a substantial cost to such migrations. If it works don't fix it.

Does anything "just work"? Everything is constantly changing, new features always in demand, more users, more data.

Re: Migrating Facebook to MySQL 8.0

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I guess one could dream of the remote possibility that Facebook outright acquires Oracle. It seems like a weird match, but it'd give FB a toehold in a lot of verticals that it currently has no presence in. Whatever criticisms you have of FB, it's at least a pretty open source friendly company.

What would happen to Oracle's infamous legal department then?

They'll start serving ads and sharing personal data of all of the people they sue?

Re: Migrating Facebook to MySQL 8.0

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My old-man brain still can't compute this statement: "MySQL, an open source database developed by Oracle" . I know this is now factually true, but late-90s me keeps looking over my shoulder and freaking out.

I can't read pass "developed by Oracle". It is factually not true. Unless there's so much code change after the acquisition that there's no single trace of the original open source version of MySQL left in there.

Re: Migrating Facebook to MySQL 8.0

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Oracle has a very complete and much cheaper cloud solution relative to AWS. I've begun migrating my own projects over to their cloud. The savings on egress costs alone pays dividends.

I find the comments in this article very accurate: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15160149 > ORA is the elephant's graveyard of software. > Once something gets bought by them, you know it is done. Slowly, but surely. > They perform a function akin to the maggots that destroy cadavers in nature. Part of the overall ecosystem. > ORA stopped being a tech co a while ago, now it is a finance play. Use cash to buy a…

Just curious, so which companies do people consider are creating/selling interesting and innovative ENTERPRISE software?

Re: Migrating Facebook to MySQL 8.0

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Perhaps it's due to me being in the PostgreSQL camp, but what happened to MariaDB? I was convinced that's where MySQL developers went and that's where development proceeded, while MySQL was just half dead, because Oracle did not care about it.

I do not think there was the time when MySQL was quite dead under Oracle ownership. As far as I aware Engineering team in particularly have only been steadily growing.

It is fair to say Oracle did not invest in ease of Oracle->MySQL migration but they have been making a steady progress on making MySQL better database for modern applications

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