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Re: Twitter tests Reddit-style upvote and downvote buttons

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>”if you just want to talk about knitting, you can avoid the people talking about politics.” I don’t find this to be the case at all. The amount of politics tolerated in each subreddit is almost entirely dependent on the personalities of the mods who run it. And for whatever reason, most Reddit mods tend to be activist friendly or at least look the other way when it comes to obvious soapbox accounts breaking the rule…

I'm not super active on reddit, but I do frequent (mostly as a lurker) some subreddits from time to time, such as r/math, r/learnjapanese, r/history etc. I don't remember running into any sort of heated political argument in any of these subreddits. Of course, for other subreddits it might be different, but this is my experience.

I am mostly a lurker on Reddit, but I find it more satisfying that Twitter these days.

People I like in the world are unbearable on Twitter. I've unfollowed, muted and don't-show-me-their-retweets a good bunch of them.

If up and downvotes can work as feedback encouraging people to stop it with the "sigh" posts, or the rage-of-the-day posts, it could improve Twitter. If not, I'm not sure what could improve Twitter.

Re: Twitter tests Reddit-style upvote and downvote buttons

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Avoid the large ones, I am not even referring at politics, any big movie,book,game subbreddit will be filled with garbage , better to find or create a subreddit with strict rules. For politics, I have no advice , probably try real life

That still doesn't help. Unless you 100% tow the party line in whatever sub you're on you will get inundated with hate. Try telling any car sub that Toyotas can break or that Germany's automotive regulations are even slightly over-bearing and see where that gets you. No matter how narrowly you scope your dissent from the local norms the platform rewards everyone dog-piling onto the dissenter. There is simply no room…

>Try telling any car sub that Toyotas can break or that Germany's automotive regulations are even slightly over-bearing

On r/justrolledintotheshop, a fairly large mechanic and car enthusiast subreddit, those kind of discussions are commonplace. The mechanics will say "toyotas are usually reliable" and then also agree that they suffer from rust issues. You are being heavily hyperbolic or refusing to see counterexamples to your belief

Re: Twitter tests Reddit-style upvote and downvote buttons

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What about explicit options? Instead of a single downvote, have multiple options like "not relevant", "factually incorrect", "disrespectful", ... This might 1) guide users towards not using those buttons for "disagree" (they are explicitly something else) 2) get richer signals for both evaluating content/accounts and the quality of reviews from specific voters

You need to strike the balance between effort and usefulness. There's no cost attached to us hitting like/dislike, but having more options would result in decision fatigue. That's less mindless scrolling and clicking on sh*t. Don't get me wrong, I do agree that it would be nice to have something more meaningful/useful there, but too many options will reduce engagement, and that's a no no for a social network relying…

But it's not like you need to downvote. If you can't be bothered to figure out why you're downvoting, maybe you just shouldn't.

Re: Twitter tests Reddit-style upvote and downvote buttons

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One of the points of going to Mars is to save our species. One large enough asteroid can wipe us out, along with all high-level life, animals, insects. Being multiplanetary is very important.

Oh, and that take is definitely not an example of “anti-scientific, illogical nonsense” and definitely not group thinking, right? /s BTW, the odds that we wipe ourself out of this planet on our own thanks to global warming are much higher than the odds of a “one every ten million year” event.

Because a comment with lots of replies disagreeing and discussion is an awesome example of groupthink, yes...

Re: Twitter tests Reddit-style upvote and downvote buttons

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That still doesn't help. Unless you 100% tow the party line in whatever sub you're on you will get inundated with hate. Try telling any car sub that Toyotas can break or that Germany's automotive regulations are even slightly over-bearing and see where that gets you. No matter how narrowly you scope your dissent from the local norms the platform rewards everyone dog-piling onto the dissenter. There is simply no room…

>Try telling any car sub that Toyotas can break or that Germany's automotive regulations are even slightly over-bearing On r/justrolledintotheshop, a fairly large mechanic and car enthusiast subreddit, those kind of discussions are commonplace. The mechanics will say "toyotas are usually reliable" and then also agree that they suffer from rust issues. You are being heavily hyperbolic or refusing to see counterexample…

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I honestly think some people are just not used to get pushback on their ideas. Whether they are surrounded by like-minded individuals in real life or they just haven't ever shared their believes/thoughts much, I don't know. But I quite often see people shocked by encountering the concept that their ideas aren't perfect.

Couple that with the difficulty of reading intent and intensity in a written media and you get people that believe conversations are heavily skewed against them.

Re: Twitter tests Reddit-style upvote and downvote buttons

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Something like that for YouTube would be nice also, I miss so many videos from channels I'm subscribed to because they don't show everything in your New feed. I would gladly pay $12/year for a service that does that and maybe a few other obviously useful features (tagging, attaching private comments, subscribing to friends public archives, etc).

I wouldn’t mind YT RSS

YouTube already makes an RSS feed available for each channel (not trivially available, but the method is easy to look up)

Re: Twitter tests Reddit-style upvote and downvote buttons

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The problem is, is supposedly, upvote = adds to the conversation, downvote = detracts from conversation. In reality, upvote = I agree, downvote = I disagree. However I don't think anything can save twitter from being a toxic platform. What makes it especially toxic, I think, is its lack of separation of communities. Reddit is toxic sometimes, but at least there is some separation: if you just want to talk about knitt…

> I think it's important to be able to have controversial debates in real life, as body language and audience response seems to keep people from being truly awful. This sort of works, but it also disproportionately empowers psychopaths who are not vulnerable to social moderation and in fact can abuse it against other people. The people who are good at winning debates in real life mostly constitute the politician clas…

The best venues I found are coffeshop/bars where primarily local people gather, with a smattering of interesting people from out of town, with an atmosphere that encourages free speech and inquiry. Enough of a public house to be inclusive but the trolls are well-moderated. There is a level of decorum, granted, a low bar in places I frequent, that people must maintain or you get kicked out.

Unfortunately there seem to be less places like this now.

Re: Twitter tests Reddit-style upvote and downvote buttons

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The problem is, is supposedly, upvote = adds to the conversation, downvote = detracts from conversation. In reality, upvote = I agree, downvote = I disagree. However I don't think anything can save twitter from being a toxic platform. What makes it especially toxic, I think, is its lack of separation of communities. Reddit is toxic sometimes, but at least there is some separation: if you just want to talk about knitt…

Have you been to a knitting forum lately? Holy shit they were one of the first to get heavily politicizes. You'll be ostracized from r/knitting if you're not left of Stalin.

The word I get from a knitting friend (absolutely not left of Stalin, more a centrist Democrat and corporate apologist) is that disingenuous right wing trolls started disrupting the knitting forums by being intentionally confrontational.

Re: Twitter tests Reddit-style upvote and downvote buttons

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I wouldn’t mind YT RSS

YouTube already makes an RSS feed available for each channel (not trivially available, but the method is easy to look up)

Great, thanks for the tip!

Re: Twitter tests Reddit-style upvote and downvote buttons

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Parts of it are, but those tend to get banned. I'd argue reddit is more of an amplified hive mind of the communities that use the internet, of which some become toxic due to ineffective moderation policies or squelching of dissent. The elephant in the room is that large subreddits tend to avoid deep analysis if it disagrees with the hive mind, and cross-brigading from smaller subreddits happens all the time. Add infl…

> Parts of it are, but those tend to get banned. Only if politically and economically convenient. I've seen people openly condoning torture and rape as long as they happen to unsympathetic victims. The subreddits fostering this behavior won't get banned unless it threatens reddit's advertising. In practice it means only politically incorrect communities get banned.

Do you have examples?
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