Extradite the killer of Harry Dunn, Anne Sacoolas first.
I don't usually like being too political, but as a brit I came here to say the same.
Autonomy founder Mike Lynch can be extradited to US
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#22Frankly I don't think anyone should be extradited to the USA. I just have zero confidence in the US legal system. Prosecutions seem politically motivated. Punishments are unreasonably harsh (I suspect to drive plea deals over actual trials). The quality of your defence depends entirely on how much you have to spend. And there seems to be a weird bias making prosecution and conviction of foreigners more likely for no…
> The quality of your defence depends entirely on how much you have to spend.
This is true, but Mike Lynch has plenty of money to spend on lawyers.
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#23As far as I can tell US prisons (in generally, not necessary all but I think most) are basically a heap of human right violations. In that context I think extraditing anyone to the US should be treated as a human right violation and as such should not be done. And even if we ignore their prisons from a German Law POV a lot of their law is fundamentally in conflict with the values represented by the constitution and m…
I'm not sure that UK prisons are a huge amount higher in quality having read news reports about them. Though state controlled they're far from being the nordic model of rehabilitation. That said, a similar argument does prevent the UK from extraditing anyone accused of a capital crime due to the death penalty being banned in the UK.
It seems like the UK certainly imprisons fewer people, which can affect the tenor of the conversation.
Re: Autonomy founder Mike Lynch can be extradited to US
#24Re: Autonomy founder Mike Lynch can be extradited to US
#25As far as I can tell US prisons (in generally, not necessary all but I think most) are basically a heap of human right violations. In that context I think extraditing anyone to the US should be treated as a human right violation and as such should not be done. And even if we ignore their prisons from a German Law POV a lot of their law is fundamentally in conflict with the values represented by the constitution and m…
I'm not sure that UK prisons are a huge amount higher in quality having read news reports about them. Though state controlled they're far from being the nordic model of rehabilitation. That said, a similar argument does prevent the UK from extraditing anyone accused of a capital crime due to the death penalty being banned in the UK.
> I'm not sure that UK prisons are a huge amount higher in quality having read news reports about them.
Not a "huge amount" no. But from what I've read and heard, definitely _an_ amount.
Re: Autonomy founder Mike Lynch can be extradited to US
#26> Mike Lynch sold Autonomy to US computer giant Hewlett Packard (HP) for $11bn in 2011.
> He denies allegations that he fraudulently inflated the value of Autonomy before the sale.
So the company is actually worth what? Let's say one half, $5 billion, and HP expects to make how much more? Let's say at least twice, $22 billion. That's a large margin. Unless they expected to make just $11.5 billion from it.
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#27Re: Autonomy founder Mike Lynch can be extradited to US
#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
People harp on China or North Korea being police states but the United States incarcerates more people per capita than any other nation by a significant margin. The US justice system is rife with discrimination and the prison conditions are dire (as you point out). People should absolutely not be extradited to the USA until this changes.
We do incarcerate a lot, however, keep in mind some of it has to do with the dismantling of the equally problematic mental health institutions beginning in the late sixties. Lots of people who would better be served in psychiatric units are housed in regular prisons.
You also over-incarcerate black men by a factor of XXX - hardly you can use the excuse of lack of psychiatric units there.
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
People harp on China or North Korea being police states but the United States incarcerates more people per capita than any other nation by a significant margin. The US justice system is rife with discrimination and the prison conditions are dire (as you point out). People should absolutely not be extradited to the USA until this changes.
We do incarcerate a lot, however, keep in mind some of it has to do with the dismantling of the equally problematic mental health institutions beginning in the late sixties. Lots of people who would better be served in psychiatric units are housed in regular prisons.
Those were dismantled for themselves being full of human rights violations though.
Re: Autonomy founder Mike Lynch can be extradited to US
#30As far as I can tell US prisons (in generally, not necessary all but I think most) are basically a heap of human right violations. In that context I think extraditing anyone to the US should be treated as a human right violation and as such should not be done. And even if we ignore their prisons from a German Law POV a lot of their law is fundamentally in conflict with the values represented by the constitution and m…
People harp on China or North Korea being police states but the United States incarcerates more people per capita than any other nation by a significant margin. The US justice system is rife with discrimination and the prison conditions are dire (as you point out). People should absolutely not be extradited to the USA until this changes.
You need to drop North Korea from that to make any sense at all. Not only do they incarcerate far more people per capita than the US, but the conditions make US prison seem like paradise. No exaggeration.
Prison in North Korea is much closer in spirit and implementation to Nazi concentration camps during the second World War, or the Soviet gulags. Many people die within months of being sent there.