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Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by ajkjk » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 5:39 PM UTC

michaelmrose wrote: post #104

No understood method that marijuana could possibly cause the condition check. Trivially comprehensible in terms of increasing usage or increasing admission of usage check. > our findings will have to be replicated elsewhere Check > "long-observed association between cannabis and schizophrenia is likely partially causal in nature," Weasel words. If they had printed their article on toilet paper at least it would be go…

Sneering at the article doesn't really make your case more convincing. Instead it just seems like it provoked an overly-defensive reaction.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by anxiousanon » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 5:39 PM UTC

cwkoss wrote: post #145

anxiousanon wrote: post #106

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Just as a counter-anecdote. There's depression and anxiety in my family tree, and it has caught up to me too in the last year. Among other remedies, I've experimented with small doses of edibles (they are legal where I live). I don't particularly enjoy the high, but for me it does take the edge off the worst times, without side effects. It lets me at least relax/sleep. (It kind of takes the edge off everything , whic…

Thats kind of a funny analogy - most cough suppressant drugs are either opiates or disassociative - either of which have history of recreational use as well.

That's true, interesting point. :) For me they're both strictly medicine though.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by ajkjk » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 5:40 PM UTC

mullingitover wrote: post #79

I've seen someone have a textbook psychotic break while consuming a lot of cannabis. Radio was sending them secret messages, coworkers were government spies, believed they were Jesus (and normally they'd been a confirmed atheist). As soon as the cannabis consumption stopped, the psychosis stopped. They started smoking again, symptoms came back. I'd also done some googling to try to understand why some people have pan…

I've known a few people that this happens to. Not sure it's the same as long-term schizophrenia but there's definitely similarities.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by animanoir » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 5:40 PM UTC

johnnyApplePRNG wrote: post #140

I have enjoyed smoking Cannabis for decades, but a recent bought of financial difficulty coupled with a desire to get programming last week has shown some teeth on the cute little bubbly image of Cannabis in my mind. I started smoking more (due to stress) and trying to complete a new project (financial difficulty) and it was just a nightmare. It's noticeably more difficult to concentrate and retain new information wh…

In my case is different. I tend to focus and learn better with cannabis, but that might be that it relaxes me to some degree that I can take existence better and concentrate stimulating my mind.

In fact I believe weed changed me for the better. May sound cliche but now I'm deeply interested in philosophy and technical concepts and aptitudes (like programming), and actually my whole attitude towards life got really bright and mature, with myself and with others.

I'm not saying weed alone made that, but definitely helped me. As I said, at least for me concentration, in this case facilitated by weed, is life changing.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 5:41 PM UTC

samatman wrote: post #136

qayxc wrote: post #99

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I agree, there's just too many variables here. The drug itself also changed over the years with current breeds having way more active ingredients than the ones used decades ago.

This part is easy to overstate. It's mostly true for the United States, although even back in the day there were strains (Maui was famous for this) which had nice crystals and were grown without males around to spoil the product. In Europe, hashish was the normal form of cannabis, and it's hard to make hash more potent than it already is. It varies in quality and strength like any natural product, but over a range th…

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Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by asdff » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 5:41 PM UTC

bjourne wrote: post #157

samatman wrote: post #136

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This part is easy to overstate. It's mostly true for the United States, although even back in the day there were strains (Maui was famous for this) which had nice crystals and were grown without males around to spoil the product. In Europe, hashish was the normal form of cannabis, and it's hard to make hash more potent than it already is. It varies in quality and strength like any natural product, but over a range th…

According to studies, cannabis potency has indeed increasedi n Europe in the last few decades. See An overview of cannabis potency in Europe ( https://www.emcdda.europa.eu/publications/insights/cannabis-... ) and Increasing potency and price of cannabis in Europe, 2006–16 ( https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/add.14525 ). From the abstract of the latter study: "Resin potency increased from a mean [95% confide…

Anecdotally, I've heard in the 60s and 70s generally people would just smoke a lot more weed in a single sitting than today. Several joints to a person of harsh brick weed vs. half of one with decent modern weed, for example.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by lrdswrk00 » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 5:42 PM UTC

01100011 wrote: post #139

lrdswrk00 wrote: post #111

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Daily toker and edible eater; I’m high now. Hit the bong and a cartridge multiple times. I’ve also successfully upgraded large chunks of my employers infra code; tests green, deploys green. It’s no different than coffee to me at this point; I figured out working with those jitters and anxiety. I even saw shimmering with caffeine I’ve never seen on THC. I’m pretty sure a whole lot of the behavior is just subculture st…

Sort of sounds like me a decade ago. If you find yourself still doing the same job in a decade, I think you'll know why. Tech jobs are very compatible with weed. The sort of tactical, short term thinking you need to apply current knowledge to problems works well. It's great for crafting clever, short-term solutions and hacking your way through things. If that's all you ever want to be, smoke weed everyday man, why no…

I am not a grower and have moved up consistently in my career over the last decade from IT helpdesk to devops lead, with a company that’s profitable, and currently many rounds of demos deep with two very big businesses I can’t even tell you what industry we’re in that’s how new and weird this tech is.

Sounds like you made being high your identity.

To me it’s like coffee (which I drink sparingly as caffeine messes me up worse; biochemistry shrug). I just consume it and go.

I’ve also never had an issue setting aside when I need to. If I want to interview, I can hop off cold turkey, give it 3-4 weeks to burn it out of my fat.

My career went nowhere before I started smoking, tbh. I was a Linux admin for nothing companies that don’t exist anymore; think mom and pop offices 20 years ago.

In the last decade I’ve worked for big tech, startups doing actually cool shit, and now for a really neat security company.

But that could just be the subjective experience side of reality leading to different outcomes for different people and have nothing to do with weed for either of us.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by wydfre » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 5:42 PM UTC

macksd wrote: post #47

>> In 1995, 2% of schizophrenia diagnoses in the country were associated with cannabis use disorder. In 2000, it increased to around 4%. Since 2010, that figure increased to 8%, the study found. Worded that way, causation isn't the first thing this suggests to me. If percentage of cases associated with marijuana rise, it could also be that a larger percentage of the population is smoking and admitting to smoking mari…

Could you go into detail about "paranoid and narcissistic personality" specifically the narcissistic personality - I have not heard of that.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by okareaman » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 5:46 PM UTC

rantwasp wrote: post #97

okareaman wrote: post #14

I would like to see a study exploring the decline (if any) of problems from alcohol abuse in states where marijuana became legal. I am fairly certain that if I could have smoked marijuana when I was in the military then I wouldn't have developed an alcohol habit that has caused me so many problems over the years up until the time I quit.

Since we’re here I would like to see a study linking sugar to the increase of health problems (including mental health). Other drugs are small change compared to sugar.

I recently gave up sugar when I realized I suffered sugar highs/withdrawal depressions and reached for it when I felt anxious, just like a drug.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/318818

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by yawaworht1978 » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 5:46 PM UTC

Another thing I perceived is would isolate themselves from other groups and think of themselves as the cool kids, same with the sporty folks. Then you have just the regular nerds who aren't impressed by either group. For my college class, the following turned true... Group smokers ended on social ladder at the dole or slightly above or below it. Sports group, none of them turned to Messi or Ronaldo or a new Michael Jordan, they held average jobs, did alcohol and other recreational things and created a family. Group nerd all ended up in very prestigious job segments, some with "global head of " etc titles, some of them went through nasty divorces maybe they didn't gain social competence or street wiseness while studying but at least they are economically safe.

My take away lesson was that it's too hard to recover from group 1 and move on.

That is my personal study and that's all I need to know. The scientists can figure out the rest, I don't know how much a factor drugs and alc play, there's always other factors as well.