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Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by random_kris »

crazy_horse wrote: post #80
jxramos wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yah I think there's something to this in an opportunity cost motivational angle. Basically there's a cost that comes to being in a high state which lowers your thresholds for profundity, satisfaction, deliciousness/appetite/taste. Basically with the thresholds all lowered one becomes satisfied with things that are objectively lesser quality, less demanding of effort and work. One would be equally satisfied eating jun…

Weed doesn't affect everybody the same. Not everyone is a stoner that gets high and says whoa dude on the couch. I didn't perceive things as more profound rather the little voice of anxiety inside by head went away and for the first time in my life I was free to figure out who I was.

Hey this little Voice of anxiety I get it to and weed alleviated this.. or so I think. In return it makes me lazy and if I smoke too much it makes it louder and it wants me to stop smoking weed Soo much. But on other hand if I have a steady supply I cannot quit it. So fucked up

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by philote »

hereforphone wrote: post #2

I can only speak from personal experience, which is of course limited. I smoked occasionally in my 20s, but not since (I'm middle-aged now). I've been friends and acquaintances with many people that smoke a lot. I see a trend among these people - not necessarily schizophrenia (I'm not a psychologist and probably wouldn't even notice a mild case) - but instead a consistent arrogance and self-importance. It's peculiar…

Honestly I've noticed the opposite. The pot smokers I've known (which there have been many) have been some of the coolest people. They've been very friendly and giving, and definitely not arrogant or self-important. Maybe it depends on the area you live in and types of social circles you're in?

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by samatman »

tomphoolery wrote: post #107
macksd wrote: post #47

>> In 1995, 2% of schizophrenia diagnoses in the country were associated with cannabis use disorder. In 2000, it increased to around 4%. Since 2010, that figure increased to 8%, the study found. Worded that way, causation isn't the first thing this suggests to me. If percentage of cases associated with marijuana rise, it could also be that a larger percentage of the population is smoking and admitting to smoking mari…

To me it's about as strong as the correlation between schizophrenia and _any_ use of psychedelics. THC's effects have more in common with a psychedelic than they do an analgesic or stimulant. It's not a body drug, even if it sometimes makes you feel that way. If we legalized psilocybin nationwide, I would bet money that these kinds of studies would show "correlations" in schizophrenia use among those who have taken m…

Yes indeed.

I used to think cannabis was relaxing.

Then I started wearing a watch which doubles as a heart-rate monitor.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by random_kris »

This devil's lettuce... I quit daily 24/7 smoking 10 days ago after 6 years of constant smoke. I smoked on 2 occasions with friends since then and I liked it...

It makes me calm but lazy and not wanting to socialize. When I'm high I want to quit but when I am not high I am quite anxious and always looking for something to ease me up...

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by riemannzeta »

jklinger410 wrote: post #88
warent wrote: post #3

This would not surprise me at all. But I'm curious to know if they got the causation backwards. Maybe people with schizophrenia just have a higher likelihood of smoking marijuana

Untreated neuro-divergent people tend to use recreational drugs for medicinal purposes. And psychoactive drug usage is directly linked with the early onset of otherwise dormant schizophrenia, as well as a myriad of other mental disorders. There is no science to state that psychoactives cause these mental disorders. In fact, current medical science states the opposite, that psychoactives do NOT cause, but exacerbate,…

Presented for your consideration without comment:

https://adai.uw.edu/pubs/pdf/2017mjbipolar.pdf

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by samatman »

qayxc wrote: post #99
macksd wrote: post #47

>> In 1995, 2% of schizophrenia diagnoses in the country were associated with cannabis use disorder. In 2000, it increased to around 4%. Since 2010, that figure increased to 8%, the study found. Worded that way, causation isn't the first thing this suggests to me. If percentage of cases associated with marijuana rise, it could also be that a larger percentage of the population is smoking and admitting to smoking mari…

I agree, there's just too many variables here. The drug itself also changed over the years with current breeds having way more active ingredients than the ones used decades ago.

This part is easy to overstate.

It's mostly true for the United States, although even back in the day there were strains (Maui was famous for this) which had nice crystals and were grown without males around to spoil the product.

In Europe, hashish was the normal form of cannabis, and it's hard to make hash more potent than it already is. It varies in quality and strength like any natural product, but over a range that is higher than a flower can achieve, pretty much by definition.

Hard-core concentrates and pure THC products are new, sure, but hashish gets you most of the way there.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by beebeepka »

hereforphone wrote: post #2

I can only speak from personal experience, which is of course limited. I smoked occasionally in my 20s, but not since (I'm middle-aged now). I've been friends and acquaintances with many people that smoke a lot. I see a trend among these people - not necessarily schizophrenia (I'm not a psychologist and probably wouldn't even notice a mild case) - but instead a consistent arrogance and self-importance. It's peculiar…

What an elaborate way if saying weed smokers are lazy bums.

Have you considered you attract a certain type? The long time smokers I know live remarkably normal lives. Kids, jobs, etc

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by 01100011 »

lrdswrk00 wrote: post #111
Ccecil wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is entirely possible that this is a misunderstanding of their true feelings or intents. To quote Kat Williams "Weed has a chemical in it called F*k it..." Maybe when they use they are not having the same anxious feeling that the general public feels and they do not react to others who otherwise might be perceived as "more important" than them. This would appear to the person who typically views themselves as "more…

Daily toker and edible eater; I’m high now. Hit the bong and a cartridge multiple times. I’ve also successfully upgraded large chunks of my employers infra code; tests green, deploys green. It’s no different than coffee to me at this point; I figured out working with those jitters and anxiety. I even saw shimmering with caffeine I’ve never seen on THC. I’m pretty sure a whole lot of the behavior is just subculture st…

Sort of sounds like me a decade ago.

If you find yourself still doing the same job in a decade, I think you'll know why. Tech jobs are very compatible with weed. The sort of tactical, short term thinking you need to apply current knowledge to problems works well. It's great for crafting clever, short-term solutions and hacking your way through things. If that's all you ever want to be, smoke weed everyday man, why not?

If you want to achieve more, that, for me and the people I've seen, is where the problems start. You might not even recognize that this is where you want to be in life until it's too late because you're so comfortable with your 'smoke weed everyday' job. It really sucks when mid-life comes and you realize your skills won't carry you another 20 years, or that there's a whole generation of kids coming to either push you up the corporate ladder or push you out on the streets.

I was literally high all day for 16 years. Grew it. Made hash. Supplied edibles to dispensaries. I get it. It feels great. Do yourself a favor and stop for 6 months. See how you feel about your life and the overall direction. You might find you don't want to go back. That's assuming you can quit. I tried over and over again and couldn't go more than 3 days without it. Anyway, good luck.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by johnnyApplePRNG »

I have enjoyed smoking Cannabis for decades, but a recent bought of financial difficulty coupled with a desire to get programming last week has shown some teeth on the cute little bubbly image of Cannabis in my mind.

I started smoking more (due to stress) and trying to complete a new project (financial difficulty) and it was just a nightmare.

It's noticeably more difficult to concentrate and retain new information when I am ingesting regularly.

Learning a new programming language, even having just had a few joints the night before, is so much more difficult that it would be without the Cannabis. I honestly felt like I was losing my mind.

I'm not even talking about being high while learning/working... just having the cannabinoids in your system from a few days ago really soaks and coats the mind.

So I've cut it out, for now.

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