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You know that many people are advocating for replacing the terms whitelist and blacklist, right? I don't see how chess is any different.
Chess is different in that the pieces are literally black and white in their color. Blacklist and whitelist are used as linguistic symbols: black==bad white==good. That is pretty different to me.
A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech
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First and second implies a hierarchy and uneven power balance. Both players should have their turns simultaneously.
They are uneven, having the first move is a documented advantage called "initiative". Your first move as black depends on the first move that white made, typically you won't have the same response for 1. d4 and 1. e4! Anyway, I've been looking forward to this day, where SJW start trying to change chess because it's "racist" because white have advantage of initiative and "sexist" because it makes you sacrify the queen…
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#413I honestly wouldn't be surprised if someone makes the argument that this automated flagging is an indicator that chess's language is inadvertently racially charged. And think about the concept of "white goes first." All it takes is a few viral tweets, and suddenly the game of chess is in the crosshairs.
Or cooler heads prevail like at the Académie Française who recognize that sexual genders are completely unrelated to grammatical genders despite what activists try to say. So we may just get some people who push back and tell people that chess isn’t racist and it’s people who are injecting race where it doesn’t exist (such as here in chess) who are the problem.
It also underscores why some people think the media is a partisan mess. It is to some degree at least. They even asked people and most didn't like it. Didn't stop them.
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It's funny that you should mention War Games, because the only way to win this battle is not to play at all. Why are we so hell-bent on restricting speech and burning all these engineering hours trying to moderate something that cannot be moderated? Languages -- and people -- are "transformable" enough to avoid triggering "hate speech" (whatever that actually is, and whoever it is that determines it) algorithms. Let…
I am scared of the masses believing nonsense. What fraction of Americans believe the election was stolen? How many people are still going to refuse to be vaccinated? Indeed, bad ideas are scary. I am scared that my country people will lead another insurrection or allow themselves to be a needlessly vulnerable vector for highly transmissible and dangerous virus. Misinformation spreads like wildfire. The notion that go…
It’s about silencing legitimate speech that you disagree with, whether it’s on a factual level or other motivations.
Perfect example, coronavirus being manufactured in a lab rather than originating in the wild. Anyone that suggested it was from a lab has been moderated heavily until a report came out that in fact it did.
Was this not damaging to society?
And to your point of hate speech, can you give me a definition of the term? You can’t because there isn’t one that a) covers all scenarios and, more importantly, b) doesn’t cover legitimate speech.
It is up to me to think for myself, not up to someone else to do it for me.
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#415We need a word or phrase for this phenomenon, where we attempt to substitute human pattern recognition with algorithms that just aren't up to the job. Facebook moderation, Tesla Full Self Driving, the War Games movie, arrests for mistaken facial identification. It's becoming an increasingly dystopic force in our lives and will likely get much worse before getting even worse. So it needs a label. Maybe there's a ten s…
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> Regardless, there's no reason to assume that humor of this nature serves to normalize racial hatred. Yes, there is. This is a very well-researched topic. https://theconversation.com/psychology-behind-the-unfunny-co... https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/humor-sapiens/201107... etc.
> The results were very clear. Subjects that held anti-homosexual views supported significantly higher cuts for the gay and lesbian organization after they were exposed to anti-gay humor, compared to subjects who were not prejudiced against gays and lesbians who were exposed to the same jokes. So, let me rephrase that > after hearing jokes featuring homosexuals, the anti-homosexuals (however those where determined an…
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We should recolor the pieces with neutral colors such as #d3e6fa (because green and yellow have connotations). And remove the obviously sexist Queen (why stronger than King?) and King (why should it decide when the game is over?). Rook is shady as well. And so on. As Aristotle said: "once we look close enough, we will find someone offended".
What connotation does green have? Where can I find the land of green people?
See also: green usernames here on HN.
Note: I'm serious and not serious at all here at the same time.
No: the colors doesn't matter at all. Yes: If someone wants to get offended they will find a way, even how they are held outside since no one makes jokes about them.
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They are uneven, having the first move is a documented advantage called "initiative". Your first move as black depends on the first move that white made, typically you won't have the same response for 1. d4 and 1. e4! Anyway, I've been looking forward to this day, where SJW start trying to change chess because it's "racist" because white have advantage of initiative and "sexist" because it makes you sacrify the queen…
That’s weird, there’s a documented advantage to being the second player to move as well known as the “defender’s advantage” since you have more information to make your move. Your information includes both the board state and the knowledge of the other player’s move while the first player only has knowledge of the board state. No idea where the idea of an advantage to being first came from
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If a human made the same mistake, we would call them incompetent, careless, and negligent. - incompetent system - incompetent robot - incompesys - incompebot - inept system - inept robot - inepsys - ineptobot - inepobot - bunglebot - hambot - sloppybot - careless system - careless robot - carelessys - carelessbot - neglisys - negligent robot - neglibot I like 'neglibot'. "YouTube neglibotted my video." "This is my ne…
Neglibot is nice. Dumbot works too...