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Re: Twitter tests Reddit-style upvote and downvote buttons

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Post by nohuck13 »

Blikkentrekker wrote: post #256
lolinder wrote: post #248

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On HN, if a comment is well-written and appears to be made in good faith but is (in my opinion) wrong, I neither upvote nor downvote, I reply. Downvoting a good-faith comment because you disagree with it does no one any favors. It creates a sense of persecution among those who disagree with you, while not actually providing any counter-argument for the benefit of the undecided. Leave the vote counts alone, make your…

> On HN, if a comment is well-written and appears to be made in good faith but is (in my opinion) wrong, I neither upvote nor downvote, I reply. And this is evil being done as good men stay silent. There might indeed be many that are not so petulant that they would downvote an otherwise non rule-breaking comment they disagree with, but few of them will find themselves upvoting something they disagree with either, and…

It's not a given that HN always orders comments by (upvotes - downvotes).

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Post by baseballdork »

wincy wrote: post #304
baseballdork wrote: post #195

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Unless you go to /r/libertarian? It's hard for me to accept such a final "No" when there seems to be a sub for literally every viewpoint. However, I am willing to accept that those subs get brigaded and maybe that's what you're referring to?

/r/libertarian has a moderator team that is not libertarian

Then try /r/libertarianuncensored or /r/libertarian_party or make your own sub that follows your own leanings. This idea that you straight up can't find a community that has whatever particular leaning you're looking for doesn't seem very accurate.

Re: Twitter tests Reddit-style upvote and downvote buttons

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Post by dijit »

darkerside wrote: post #204
dijit wrote: post #182

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I disagree with your overall point that reddit is diverse (and it is beyond the scope of this comment to mention why) but I'd like to chime in with my love of ChangeMyView. I just love the idea that you can have a judgement free place to discuss things openly and get reasoned replies without being piled on. Sometimes we hold views which are controversial, and it's great that we can had a non-adversarial discussion ab…

Your comment would have been much better without the first statement. Why include it if you don't want to explain or talk about it? Seems flamebait-y.

The main reason is to acknowledge that I disagree before I speak highly about a certain part of Reddit.

It would have been unclear and implicitly sound like I agree if I didn’t include that.

Re: Twitter tests Reddit-style upvote and downvote buttons

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Post by ausbah »

tayo42 wrote: post #26
ausbah wrote: post #25

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I really do think innovative in social media spaces in lacking, probably because the established players have no real reason to change things up aside from stealing newcomers's ideas but it would to cool to see if any research could be done on stuff like seeing how different features (or lack of) lead to different communities and cultures on a site

How do you define success for these experiments? Social media already is optimizing for engagement, probably the average hn commenter doesn't like those results though.

obviously every platform wants engagement, they want you to use their product over others! but I think that's only part of how you define success, which obviously will differ platform to platform

like I think something like "sustained high quality discussion" is good goal other spaces like HackerNews aim for

Re: Twitter tests Reddit-style upvote and downvote buttons

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Post by hnbad »

Sergiu37 wrote: post #137
whalabi wrote: post #116

I've wondered why Twitter seems far more toxic than Reddit (certain now-banned subreddits excluded) and I believe the downvote is a powerful tool used to achieve this, along with Reddit's community-style moderation, even though that can border on toxic itself at times. I wrote about it here a little while back https://unlikekinds.com/article/trolls-and-consequences-what...

Reddit is not toxic if you agree with the majority views. If not it is probably the most toxic social media. So other views people leave and so reddit remains a bubble of like minded people that don't see their toxicity. You can just look at some popular subreddits like iata i am the asshole or idiotsincar or murdered by words, justiceserved to name a few and many other where people just laugh and are being toxic tow…

Some people say the same about Hacker News, by the way.

Arguably Reddit at least has niche communities which are small enough to avoid the problem of dogpiling and mass downvoting (except via brigading).

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Post by stronglikedan »

darkerside wrote: post #204
dijit wrote: post #182

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I disagree with your overall point that reddit is diverse (and it is beyond the scope of this comment to mention why) but I'd like to chime in with my love of ChangeMyView. I just love the idea that you can have a judgement free place to discuss things openly and get reasoned replies without being piled on. Sometimes we hold views which are controversial, and it's great that we can had a non-adversarial discussion ab…

Your comment would have been much better without the first statement. Why include it if you don't want to explain or talk about it? Seems flamebait-y.

On the contrary, it's an objectively true statement, and everyone already knows the reasons why. Therefore, explaining it here is what would be flamebaity, since even those that know the reasons still try to disingenuously pretend the reasons aren't valid. What is valid is the point made, since it addresses a point of the previous comment directly.

Re: Twitter tests Reddit-style upvote and downvote buttons

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Post by intended »

nkingsy wrote: post #254
CydeWeys wrote: post #223

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Other way around. They're not paid, so they want to keep the amount of unrelated contentious bullshit on their subreddit to a minimum. I've been a default sub mod and I know how much of a firehose that is. The simplest solution, and the smallest amount of work in total, is to nip unrelated discussions in the bud, delete entire comment trees, and lock the comment section entirely on a post that is (or is looking to) g…

Yes, it works and it sort of scales. Why, then, does the outrage porn rise to the top of the Reddit home page? Because it measurably increases sales in a huge way right now. To use a baseball analogy, how do you tell a juiced to the gills superstar that steroids are actually hurting their long-term outlook? There’s no way to show Barry Bonds a future in which he’s shadow banned from the hall of fame and unmentionable…

The front page of Reddit is not always outrage.

Besides, if our brains are designed to zoom in on certain signals, is it rational to expect technology to somehow prevent this?

Re: Twitter tests Reddit-style upvote and downvote buttons

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Post by mistermann »

Artistry121 wrote: post #27
ausbah wrote: post #25

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I really do think innovative in social media spaces in lacking, probably because the established players have no real reason to change things up aside from stealing newcomers's ideas but it would to cool to see if any research could be done on stuff like seeing how different features (or lack of) lead to different communities and cultures on a site

Matrix and the power of decentralized federated social networks will allow this soon.

Does Matrix support full extensibility of data structures or are you tied to some minimal model?

Re: Twitter tests Reddit-style upvote and downvote buttons

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Post by Chris2048 »

heurisko wrote: post #191

The problem is, is supposedly, upvote = adds to the conversation, downvote = detracts from conversation. In reality, upvote = I agree, downvote = I disagree. However I don't think anything can save twitter from being a toxic platform. What makes it especially toxic, I think, is its lack of separation of communities. Reddit is toxic sometimes, but at least there is some separation: if you just want to talk about knitt…

What we really need is skin-in-the-game.

Voting is free. flag something as bad that isn't and there are no consequences.

If a vote represented a stake of some kind, then there would be consequences in being wrong.

I'd bury specifics though so that the vote isn't (too) influenced. Maybe even random voting would work (every user must complete a "quota" of questions for comments they have read).

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