The point of voting is for a group to make collective decisions about something. But the 'group of twitter users' isn't a community. I don't want this fake community to 'democratically' determine what I see. I'm on Twitter to see stuff from the accounts I follow. There is no need for community consensus to determine what's shown.
Twitter tests Reddit-style upvote and downvote buttons
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Re: Twitter tests Reddit-style upvote and downvote buttons
#302Downvoting is predicated on the existence of a community that ostensibly shares some common interest or set of values. Twitter is more of a melting pot. A naive downvoting system can't work on twitter because tweets are designed to "leak" out into other communities.
In fact, people often get the most engagement from their critics. You can't have a community about, say, fast cars that leaks into an anti-car community that's allowed to downvote all pro-car sentiments.
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#303The downvote in a lot of ways become a sort of crowdsourced censorship. It could work well to clean toxic stuff but it could also silence diverse conversations. They need to be smart about how they place incentives with the downvotes, how the downvoted are disincentivized to get down votes, how the downvoters won’t abuse the button.
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#304Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Different subreddits will have different majorities with different views, no? No, not really. Ignoring standard left/right policy bickering points you are still going to catch a lot of hate on Reddit if you don't think people are fundamentally untrustworthy by default and that centralized authorities (be they governments, academia, professional organizations or BigCo) are fundamentally trustworthy and credible by de…
Unless you go to /r/libertarian? It's hard for me to accept such a final "No" when there seems to be a sub for literally every viewpoint. However, I am willing to accept that those subs get brigaded and maybe that's what you're referring to?
/r/libertarian has a moderator team that is not libertarian
Re: Twitter tests Reddit-style upvote and downvote buttons
#305The problem is, is supposedly, upvote = adds to the conversation, downvote = detracts from conversation. In reality, upvote = I agree, downvote = I disagree. However I don't think anything can save twitter from being a toxic platform. What makes it especially toxic, I think, is its lack of separation of communities. Reddit is toxic sometimes, but at least there is some separation: if you just want to talk about knitt…
>> What makes it especially toxic, I think, is its lack of separation of communities.
Jack said in the infamous interview to Joe Rogan, that they have an explicit goal to mix communities to avoid echo-chambering of ideas and views. Not sure if what you mean is an accident or intended effect (IMO they do a bad job)
Re: Twitter tests Reddit-style upvote and downvote buttons
#306The problem is, is supposedly, upvote = adds to the conversation, downvote = detracts from conversation. In reality, upvote = I agree, downvote = I disagree. However I don't think anything can save twitter from being a toxic platform. What makes it especially toxic, I think, is its lack of separation of communities. Reddit is toxic sometimes, but at least there is some separation: if you just want to talk about knitt…
Reddit style up/downvote system is a great “homogenizer” of opinions. Applied correctly, it only leaves the most desirable opinions to survive. It also allows discussions to be steered without commenting. Together it allows majority vote to simply take control of a comment page, and first rule of online voting is it’s always manipulated. You know where that goes. You will end up with a self driving system that repres…
Communities like Reddit are necessarily over-represented by people with a lot of time on their hands: the unemployed, childless, asocial.
These people tend to have views outside the mainstream, so its not a surprise that the predominant views there become so skewed.
Re: Twitter tests Reddit-style upvote and downvote buttons
#307I'm of several minds about this change. On the one hand, I am rather fond of the 'original' Twitter layout. You had your feed of people you followed displayed in chronological order, retweets would show a post to your followers, likes showed support and served as bookmarks. I still keep my timeline in chronological mode, and I don't really care for any change they've made from that original standard. The up/downvote system will likely corrupt that further.
On the other hand, Twitter has gained a reputation (rather deservedly) of being one of the more toxic social media sites. Personally, I'm happy to simply unfollow anyone that starts to get on my nerves, but it seems to be enough of an issue for most people that they need to do something to address the issue. There are frankly too many tweets to keep an eye on, so this adds a community moderation system, which I suspect will be more successful (always hiding the up/down numbers would be even better).
On the other other hand, I'm not sure it'll be enough. One of the most glaring reasons why Twitter has a worse reputation than say Reddit (arguably) is that there is no separation between tweets of different topic. If there is a morally corrupt section of Reddit, it is at least in theory contained to a single subreddit, while on Twitter it is available to everyone. I'm not sure what the solution here is. I would be somewhat interested in seeing an addition of feeds categorized by topics, but that might be too drastic of a change.
Re: Twitter tests Reddit-style upvote and downvote buttons
#308Earlier quoted context omitted.
Every single upvote/downvote mechanism on the internet (including on HN) is an opinion meter, regardless of what rules/etiquette the site tries to push. And I'm pretty sure that's what Twitter wants, because it means that all the safe, popular replies to a Tweet will automatically bubble up on top and they won't have to deal with the controversial ones because the community will take care of them.
I like the design where you must give reason for downvotes. This seems to discourage mindless downvotes.
I think the slashdot moderation is best. It's borderline random when you get the chance to do it and they become "use it or lose it" mod points. That way the community has to engage, not just lurk.
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#309Earlier quoted context omitted.
> if you are sitting inside your bubble and laughing at the outsiders, who don't even come to your bubble, is there any toxicity going on? Yes.
So what does toxicity mean then?
Would you like it if there were thousands of people shittalking you? Some of them even harassing you?
Re: Twitter tests Reddit-style upvote and downvote buttons
#310The problem is, is supposedly, upvote = adds to the conversation, downvote = detracts from conversation. In reality, upvote = I agree, downvote = I disagree. However I don't think anything can save twitter from being a toxic platform. What makes it especially toxic, I think, is its lack of separation of communities. Reddit is toxic sometimes, but at least there is some separation: if you just want to talk about knitt…
Upvote: I was entertained or this idea reflects my tribe:
Downvotes: almost universally “I hate that tribe”
It would be better if they reported on someone’s ratio- so you could intuit if the Milieu of the people who downvote.
I’d be nice to discover if the people downvoting you are quantitative haters.