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Re: Twitter tests Reddit-style upvote and downvote buttons

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Post by dogleash »

dmurray wrote: post #260
captainmuon wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Up/downvotes always have multiple conflicting dimensions. - The post is factually right / wrong - Confirms to the site rules / breaks the rules - I agree / disagree - I want to promote / bury this post - Reward poster with XP / punish I am usually very pragmatic and upvote a post when I want other people to read it (because I want to see the discussion, or because I want to spread the idea). I also upvote to reward t…

Didn't Slashdot have multiple dimensions, a post could be "+5, insightful" or "-3, off topic". If you squint you could say the same about emoji reactions on Facebook and probably other platforms, this post got 5 :heart and 2 :scary reactions. They don't have a visible one for relevance but presumably the reactions feed into one behind the scenes. I'm not sure any of these have been shown to be clearly superior to the…

I think Slashdot's system was vastly better, but it had different goals.

Social media needs counters that never stop going up, and buttons that are always available for people to reactivity click and express dis/approval.

Slashdot wanted a moderation system and they got one. The moderation points, categories, meta-moderation, comment filtering, it all shows someone was really thinking about what they system was trying to accomplish.

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Post by baq »

Blikkentrekker wrote: post #270
baq wrote: post #147

slashdot had this covered years ago. literally decades. 1. upvotes limited to +5. 2. votes categorized: funny, informative, insightful, etc. 3. number of votes limited per time frame and user karma. 4. meta-moderation: your votes (up/down both) were subject to voting (correct/incorrect). good score == more upvotes to spend. and yet, simple trumps good. i was very happy to see parts of this implemented in steam review…

It was solved long ere that: no votes. There are many boards were ranking is simply decided by recent activity of replies. I find that DeviantArt has the ideal forum: a tree-based structure like Reddit , and H.N. , and the top comment within a branch of the tree is simply the one which had the most recent reply to a child recursively, and any new replies always end up at the top. This achieves two important goals: 1)…

no filtering rules only work when you can consume the whole feed in a reasonable time. note that reddit gives you the option to sort e.g. by controversial. since you can't not have a first comment (notable meme on slashdot - FP!), you need to sort somehow; the whole point of activity feeds, walls, scoring is to show the most valuable (to someone... not necessarily you - but sometimes, you) content first.

Re: Twitter tests Reddit-style upvote and downvote buttons

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Post by rpastuszak »

remram wrote: post #222
rpastuszak wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I prefer upvotes/downvotes to likes, but there's an issue with "I downvote because I disagree" instead of "I downvote because the content is of poor quality". I also 100% agree that groupthink can be an issue, it's almost like the highlighted notes on kindle--I feel like once they reach a critical mass, people start highlighting the same text without really thinking about it. So, the ideal, for me is to allow for up/…

What about explicit options? Instead of a single downvote, have multiple options like "not relevant", "factually incorrect", "disrespectful", ... This might 1) guide users towards not using those buttons for "disagree" (they are explicitly something else) 2) get richer signals for both evaluating content/accounts and the quality of reviews from specific voters

You need to strike the balance between effort and usefulness. There's no cost attached to us hitting like/dislike, but having more options would result in decision fatigue. That's less mindless scrolling and clicking on sh*t.

Don't get me wrong, I do agree that it would be nice to have something more meaningful/useful there, but too many options will reduce engagement, and that's a no no for a social network relying on advertising revenue.

(I think that ads should not exist as they're unethical and harmful)

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Post by sigotirandolas »

Tainnor wrote: post #237
BuyMyBitcoins wrote: post #198

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>”if you just want to talk about knitting, you can avoid the people talking about politics.” I don’t find this to be the case at all. The amount of politics tolerated in each subreddit is almost entirely dependent on the personalities of the mods who run it. And for whatever reason, most Reddit mods tend to be activist friendly or at least look the other way when it comes to obvious soapbox accounts breaking the rule…

I'm not super active on reddit, but I do frequent (mostly as a lurker) some subreddits from time to time, such as r/math, r/learnjapanese, r/history etc. I don't remember running into any sort of heated political argument in any of these subreddits. Of course, for other subreddits it might be different, but this is my experience.

I do:

https://old.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/gwo4o7/in_so...

https://old.reddit.com/r/math/comments/gw4uca/rmath_will_be_...

https://old.reddit.com/r/history/comments/gvsvq8/rhistory_is...

Re: Twitter tests Reddit-style upvote and downvote buttons

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Post by joshstrange »

dawnerd wrote: post #276

I just wish they’d add a report option for misinformation. There’s just way too much of it and it doesn’t seem Twitter cares. They’ll do something about high profile cases but it’s the smaller boy accounts that ready spread it. Downvotes/dislikes could help signal their algo if done right and I’d love to see where it goes.

Interesting, I was sure this existed but I must be thinking of FB's reporting. Twitter only offers:

* I'm not interested in this Tweet

* It’s suspicious or spam

* It's abusive or harmful

* It expresses intentions of self-harm or suicide

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Post by jcfrei »

Here's what Twitter (and other social media platforms) should implement instead: They should add a button that a user can click so their interaction with a tweet (retweet, quote tweet, reply) doesn't count towards the engagement metrics of that tweet.

The way a lot of accounts increase their reach is by tweeting intentionally divisive or stupid things. Lots of people feel obligated to correct or speak out against these tweets but by doing so they are helping them reach an even bigger audience. That's one of the major reasons why Twitter has gotten so toxic: Stupid and divisive content creates more engagement and spreads faster. So users who just want to correct someone should have the option to do this without increasing the engagement metrics of that tweet and effectively spreading it even further.

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Post by snegu »

blacktriangle wrote: post #257
heurisko wrote: post #191

The problem is, is supposedly, upvote = adds to the conversation, downvote = detracts from conversation. In reality, upvote = I agree, downvote = I disagree. However I don't think anything can save twitter from being a toxic platform. What makes it especially toxic, I think, is its lack of separation of communities. Reddit is toxic sometimes, but at least there is some separation: if you just want to talk about knitt…

Have you been to a knitting forum lately? Holy shit they were one of the first to get heavily politicizes. You'll be ostracized from r/knitting if you're not left of Stalin.

Aside from the constant stream of projects with different pride flag colors, what politics have you seen on r/knitting? I never even saw the Karen Templar controversy discussed there. Now, Ravelry is a whole other story...

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Post by overspeed »

heurisko wrote: post #191

The problem is, is supposedly, upvote = adds to the conversation, downvote = detracts from conversation. In reality, upvote = I agree, downvote = I disagree. However I don't think anything can save twitter from being a toxic platform. What makes it especially toxic, I think, is its lack of separation of communities. Reddit is toxic sometimes, but at least there is some separation: if you just want to talk about knitt…

> What makes it especially toxic, I think, is its lack of separation of communities.

Interesting that you say this because Reddit users will tell you that this is a problem in itself since it creates echo chambers that validate the viewpoints you already hold.

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Post by wincy »

stared wrote: post #160
Sergiu37 wrote: post #137

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Reddit is not toxic if you agree with the majority views. If not it is probably the most toxic social media. So other views people leave and so reddit remains a bubble of like minded people that don't see their toxicity. You can just look at some popular subreddits like iata i am the asshole or idiotsincar or murdered by words, justiceserved to name a few and many other where people just laugh and are being toxic tow…

Reddit is diverse. I hear a lot of “Reddit is toxic”. Or that “Reddit is the best place”. Both are correct. It is not only about the majority view. It is mainly about which subreddits you pick. I am not a massive Redditor. Yet, for some time, I opened r/MachineLearning daily. Some subreddits are/were highly toxic (e.g. the infamous r/incels). Some other are full of vulnerable life stories you won’t find anywhere else…

For awhile I was harassed in almost every subreddit I frequented because I’d posted in The Donald. Not even a full throated support of Trump just a post-2016 election “well let’s see how he does” sort of support.
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