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Re: Even if you’re paying, you’re still the product

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post #34

It gets grosser by the day. This is something that is endemic not just to ad-tech companies, but regular brick and mortar stores as well: it isn't enough to just be consuming, to actually be producing value for the business: they must monetize as many seconds of our attention as possible! If I'm buying gas, I'm being served ads via the little screen. If I'm at the grocery store, there's ads plastered onto my cart. Bu…

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Re: Even if you’re paying, you’re still the product

#112
post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it hard to believe in this day and age that people don’t understand the basic business model of these services.

Most people are not aware of the extent that their identities and activity is tracked across the web.

Well, I don’t find it that much easier to believe just because you assert the opposite.

Re: Even if you’re paying, you’re still the product

#113
post #2

I think the only analogy that works now is "if you aren't in control, you're the product", ala free software and self hosting

>free software Well maybe, if this whole sorry ediface wasn't built on top of free software.

Free software gives control to the user, that being the person running the software.

If you're not running the software, but instead using an API to the server where I'm running it, then of course you're not in control; you're trusting my word I'm actually running the software!

Re: Even if you’re paying, you’re still the product

#114
post #34

It gets grosser by the day. This is something that is endemic not just to ad-tech companies, but regular brick and mortar stores as well: it isn't enough to just be consuming, to actually be producing value for the business: they must monetize as many seconds of our attention as possible! If I'm buying gas, I'm being served ads via the little screen. If I'm at the grocery store, there's ads plastered onto my cart. Bu…

What's worse is I feel like I can't trust anything I hear because I'm just trying to get sold something. Look at the FDA and it's recent extremely controversial approvals. If you can trust regulating boards anymore meant to keep you safe then there's nothing you can trust.

Re: Even if you’re paying, you’re still the product

#115
One of the few concrete changes I think would improve big tech, privacy etc would be to require providers over a certain size to offer a paid option and then NOT advertise, track, share data etc.

Maybe the price would be stupidly high. Maybe 99.9% of people wouldn't pay. But at least the option would exist.

We could even require providers to link the price to the advertising etc revenue missed.

Re: Even if you’re paying, you’re still the product

#116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That doesn't seem like a fair representation. The quote there isn't saying you should expect totally free services. It's saying you have the right to expect not to be tracked . Advertising up until 20 years ago relied entirely upon context and behavioral and engagement studies were conducted on an opt-in basis on Nielsen families and focus groups composed either of volunteers or people being compensated for participa…

You do not, and should not, have a right not to be tracked. You should have a right to know if a given company wants to track you, and to decide if you want to still do business with them as a result. Similarly, they should have the right to know if you are going to block/evade tracking and be able to decide if they still want to do business with you as a result. This is how a free market works.

> This is how a free market works.

Said free market tends to create weird customs that are not necessarily good for the most of us.

Someone once said radiation has healing properties and last radioactive items for healing appeared, oh well, on Amazon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7TwBUxxIC0

and before that, there's a museum of the same stuff

https://www.orau.org/health-physics-museum/collection/radioa...

Note that I am not saying the regulator can not or will not abuse their rights. This is a big issue and I'm not competent enough to say where I'm leaning there.

I only disagree with "free market will lead to the best solution by itself".

Re: Even if you’re paying, you’re still the product

#117
post #34

It gets grosser by the day. This is something that is endemic not just to ad-tech companies, but regular brick and mortar stores as well: it isn't enough to just be consuming, to actually be producing value for the business: they must monetize as many seconds of our attention as possible! If I'm buying gas, I'm being served ads via the little screen. If I'm at the grocery store, there's ads plastered onto my cart. Bu…

>If I'm buying gas, I'm being served ads via the little screen.

The first time I saw that, my immediate reaction was to hit the screen. My second thought was to pour gas on it and light it on fire. I refuse to use any place that does this unless it is a last resort. It's not terribly common where I live (yet) but I assume it is becoming standard. It's enraging.

Re: Even if you’re paying, you’re still the product

#118
post #9

The next to last paragraph bothers me: On Hackernews, they think it's "entitlement" to think that you can use free email and search engines and expect not to be tracked. The main problem with this line of thinking is that even if you had the option to pay for your email and for your search engine, some G**gle executive somewhere would mention during a meeting that they could add an extra $X million of revenue if they…

That would be fine if the assumption wasn't based upon thousands of content creators, who are also sharing their work for free, most who unknowingly were building Facebook and other sites into popularity through their work for no pay, that now have the rug pulled out from under their ability to be seen.

Now, on top of creators that drive Facebook's most interesting content while contributing their music, stories, and videos etc. (for no profit) Creators have to pay to run promo ads for visibility even among people who previously followed them for updates, while Facebook collects the profit from all that work.

The model was broken by greed, not by a desire to connect people better nor to do good.

Re: Even if you’re paying, you’re still the product

#119
post #85
post #34

It gets grosser by the day. This is something that is endemic not just to ad-tech companies, but regular brick and mortar stores as well: it isn't enough to just be consuming, to actually be producing value for the business: they must monetize as many seconds of our attention as possible! If I'm buying gas, I'm being served ads via the little screen. If I'm at the grocery store, there's ads plastered onto my cart. Bu…

Small band-aid on the repressive overall issue. You can usually push the second button down on the right-hand side to mute the mini-TV once the ads start playing. Not sure if you knew this already but I like to get the word out. And, maybe if they track how many times that button gets pressed they'll take a hint but I doubt it.

Every time I have been to a gas station that does this, the mute button is broken, presumably from so many people violently jamming it to make it stop.

Re: Even if you’re paying, you’re still the product

#120
post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On behalf all the non-millionaires out there, Fuck You. Money took away your ethics and morals and broke your brain. A right to privacy should be something we strive for, not maximizing profit by spying on people. We do not have a free market in the US either.

> On behalf all the non-millionaires out there, Fuck You. Money took away your ethics and morals and broke your brain. Less of this, please.

Yeah, the quoted line clearly breaks the HN guidelines.
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