A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 1:04 PM UTC

BigJono wrote: post #328

kleer001 wrote: post #25

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> using language that upsets people is bad Shouldn't be. Intent should be the grounds for upset, intent only. Otherwise you get a Euphemism Treadmill, and that's a goddamn fucking waste of time.

I've never got why people don't understand this. Judging people by their intent resolves a lot of ambiguity, for both political sides. If someone gets up infront of a room of 1000 people and says "hey guys!", clearly intending to reference the entire audience, they're not being fucking sexist. And if you're standing there with 5 racists showing a pepe flag or an ok sign or whatever random garbage it is this week, the…

Post by account42 » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 1:11 PM UTC

BrandoElFollito wrote: post #335

shp0ngle wrote: post #5

Well. The speech police started changing "blacklist" and "whitelist" in programming context, even when those had no racist history; maybe it's time to change it in chess. (After all, white always goes first, that is not very PC.) Rename "black" and "white" to "second player" and "first player".

We should recolor the pieces with neutral colors such as #d3e6fa (because green and yellow have connotations). And remove the obviously sexist Queen (why stronger than King?) and King (why should it decide when the game is over?). Rook is shady as well. And so on. As Aristotle said: "once we look close enough, we will find someone offended".

Post by nova22033 » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 1:14 PM UTC

MetaWhirledPeas wrote: post #28

What a fine mess we've created. - Popular experiences tend to be better experiences, so we all congregate to the same services - Homogenous user behavior leads to monopolistic situations, increasing outrage when anything goes wrong - Even if the government doesn't try to enforce moderation, the company attempts to self-moderate to maintain its image - The popularity of the service makes human moderation impossible, c…

Post by baremetal » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 1:17 PM UTC

8note wrote: post #226

hirundo wrote: post #21

We need a word or phrase for this phenomenon, where we attempt to substitute human pattern recognition with algorithms that just aren't up to the job. Facebook moderation, Tesla Full Self Driving, the War Games movie, arrests for mistaken facial identification. It's becoming an increasingly dystopic force in our lives and will likely get much worse before getting even worse. So it needs a label. Maybe there's a ten s…

I think it's just called machine learning. They're all gonna run into awkward edge cases here and there. Tbh, so do people. Somebody whos not familiar with chess or board games could think the same thing

Post by codesections » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 1:21 PM UTC

d110af5ccf wrote: post #53

fighterpilot wrote: post #22

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I thought of this and realized it'd actually be a fun game. Both players write down their next move and then move simultaneously once both are ready. To avoid race conditions, if a player moves a piece that is to be taken by the opponent's move, then that player has saved that piece with that move. That creates an interesting dynamic where you may not wish to take the most valuable piece if you predict the other play…

How would two pieces moving to the same square be resolved? Both lost, or ... ? Regardless of the specifics, it would create a very complicated (but potentially interesting) dynamic when moving any valuable piece within a contested region.