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Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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You know that many people are advocating for replacing the terms whitelist and blacklist, right? I don't see how chess is any different.

Because the pieces really are white and black, or light and dark. The list is not black.

But they are not naturally so. We decided to make them that way.

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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We need a word or phrase for this phenomenon, where we attempt to substitute human pattern recognition with algorithms that just aren't up to the job. Facebook moderation, Tesla Full Self Driving, the War Games movie, arrests for mistaken facial identification. It's becoming an increasingly dystopic force in our lives and will likely get much worse before getting even worse. So it needs a label. Maybe there's a ten s…

We definitely need a term for this so when we are a victim of this, we can easily raise a flag. I have a few ideas: - Bot blunder - Artificial stupidity - Algofail - Machine madness - Neural slip

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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We need a word or phrase for this phenomenon, where we attempt to substitute human pattern recognition with algorithms that just aren't up to the job. Facebook moderation, Tesla Full Self Driving, the War Games movie, arrests for mistaken facial identification. It's becoming an increasingly dystopic force in our lives and will likely get much worse before getting even worse. So it needs a label. Maybe there's a ten s…

Industrial revolutions has happened few times in the past, and every time it occurs, we change our world to adopt it. I can't help but wonder, what the world would look like if services in the future will be provided primarily by AIs. How do we adopt them? Do we have to invent a "New Speech" just to make AI understand us better so we can live a easier life? "Question: Have you consumed your food today?", "Answer: I h…

We're going to resurrect the transatlantic accent.

I already have started add a hard 'ng' on 'going to' because my phone keeps abbreviating it to 'gonna'.

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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post #51
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We need a word or phrase for this phenomenon, where we attempt to substitute human pattern recognition with algorithms that just aren't up to the job. Facebook moderation, Tesla Full Self Driving, the War Games movie, arrests for mistaken facial identification. It's becoming an increasingly dystopic force in our lives and will likely get much worse before getting even worse. So it needs a label. Maybe there's a ten s…

Scunthorpe problem [1] is used to describe the false positives for auto filters, which are often results of naive substring matching. In a way, the current problem is similar, but on the semantic level. However, it doesn't cover other cases for other AI mistakes you mentioned, like self-driving. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scunthorpe_problem

The problem also goes in the other direction. That is platform rely too much on automation that human signal gets too faint. For example humans have a hard time flagging actual hate speech on these platforms as well. Another example: Every so often there is a front page post on HN where a company like Google will automatically shut down service for a customer (false positive). The customer has a hard time getting through and having this false positive corrected because their signal can’t reach through the layers of automation.

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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We need a word or phrase for this phenomenon, where we attempt to substitute human pattern recognition with algorithms that just aren't up to the job. Facebook moderation, Tesla Full Self Driving, the War Games movie, arrests for mistaken facial identification. It's becoming an increasingly dystopic force in our lives and will likely get much worse before getting even worse. So it needs a label. Maybe there's a ten s…

In economics there is Goodhart's law.

'Any observed statistical regularity will tend to collapse once pressure is placed upon it for control purposes.'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodhart%27s_law

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my opinion, that might be a sign that the idea of drawing abstract connections between words and concepts, that are several layers of indirection apart, may be going too far. Yeah using language that upsets people is bad, but if you allow enough layers between words and concepts, _everything_ can be argued to be offensive for one reason or another. Or will be soon once something else becomes a hot button issue.

You know that many people are advocating for replacing the terms whitelist and blacklist, right? I don't see how chess is any different.

Chess is different in that the pieces are literally black and white in their color.

Blacklist and whitelist are used as linguistic symbols: black==bad white==good.

That is pretty different to me.

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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Well. The speech police started changing "blacklist" and "whitelist" in programming context, even when those had no racist history; maybe it's time to change it in chess. (After all, white always goes first, that is not very PC.) Rename "black" and "white" to "second player" and "first player".

I think the words themselves are racist - black and white. I'd be down with getting rid of them from the dictionary all together.

Edit: Add brown as well to the list.

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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We need a word or phrase for this phenomenon, where we attempt to substitute human pattern recognition with algorithms that just aren't up to the job. Facebook moderation, Tesla Full Self Driving, the War Games movie, arrests for mistaken facial identification. It's becoming an increasingly dystopic force in our lives and will likely get much worse before getting even worse. So it needs a label. Maybe there's a ten s…

AI ~ Attempted intelligence

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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We need a word or phrase for this phenomenon, where we attempt to substitute human pattern recognition with algorithms that just aren't up to the job. Facebook moderation, Tesla Full Self Driving, the War Games movie, arrests for mistaken facial identification. It's becoming an increasingly dystopic force in our lives and will likely get much worse before getting even worse. So it needs a label. Maybe there's a ten s…

Artifice Intelligence

Artificial stupidity.

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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We need a word or phrase for this phenomenon, where we attempt to substitute human pattern recognition with algorithms that just aren't up to the job. Facebook moderation, Tesla Full Self Driving, the War Games movie, arrests for mistaken facial identification. It's becoming an increasingly dystopic force in our lives and will likely get much worse before getting even worse. So it needs a label. Maybe there's a ten s…

Have you heard of the "expert beginner"? Maybe something like that.

https://daedtech.com/how-developers-stop-learning-rise-of-th...

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