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A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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We need a word or phrase for this phenomenon, where we attempt to substitute human pattern recognition with algorithms that just aren't up to the job. Facebook moderation, Tesla Full Self Driving, the War Games movie, arrests for mistaken facial identification. It's becoming an increasingly dystopic force in our lives and will likely get much worse before getting even worse. So it needs a label. Maybe there's a ten s…

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Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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post #21

We need a word or phrase for this phenomenon, where we attempt to substitute human pattern recognition with algorithms that just aren't up to the job. Facebook moderation, Tesla Full Self Driving, the War Games movie, arrests for mistaken facial identification. It's becoming an increasingly dystopic force in our lives and will likely get much worse before getting even worse. So it needs a label. Maybe there's a ten s…

Industrial revolutions has happened few times in the past, and every time it occurs, we change our world to adopt it.

I can't help but wonder, what the world would look like if services in the future will be provided primarily by AIs. How do we adopt them? Do we have to invent a "New Speech" just to make AI understand us better so we can live a easier life?

"Question: Have you consumed your food today?", "Answer: I have consumed my food today."

Or a more subtle example:

"Hi! Welcome to ___. What do you want to eat today?", "I want to eat item one, fifty-six, eighty-seven and ninety-one", "Do you want to eat item one, fifty-six, eighty-seven and ninety-one?", "Yes", "Please make a seat. The food will come right away!" (all without making any Hmm or Err noise)

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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In my opinion, that might be a sign that the idea of drawing abstract connections between words and concepts, that are several layers of indirection apart, may be going too far. Yeah using language that upsets people is bad, but if you allow enough layers between words and concepts, _everything_ can be argued to be offensive for one reason or another. Or will be soon once something else becomes a hot button issue.

I remember many years ago when colour schemes/UI themes were still called "skins", and forum discussions about them often yielded amusing racist-if-taken-out-of-context sentences like "do you like white or black skin" and "I have dark skin, but I prefer the white skin." Not a single person was offended or outraged, everyone saw the racial associations but clearly understood the context and was more amused than anythi…

If you would actually like to know the history of the current trend, read Cynical Theories by Helen Pluckrose and James Lindsay

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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There was a star trek channel on youtube which got suspended because he called the fictional race Ferengi “greedy”, which they actually are. Got reinstated after a few days. But it’s getting ridiculous now.

My wife is a Ferengi.

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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First and second implies a hierarchy and uneven power balance. Both players should have their turns simultaneously.

I thought of this and realized it'd actually be a fun game. Both players write down their next move and then move simultaneously once both are ready. To avoid race conditions, if a player moves a piece that is to be taken by the opponent's move, then that player has saved that piece with that move. That creates an interesting dynamic where you may not wish to take the most valuable piece if you predict the other play…

"To avoid race conditions", indeed!

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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I am surprised international chess organizations haven't denounced racism and announced the plan to change "white" and "black" to "A" and "B".

"A" and "B" would imply that English is superior to other languages. It also implies hierarchy since "A" comes before "B".

Chess is sexist because the game ends when the King dies.

I say we should ban Chess. Cheers.

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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Or cooler heads prevail like at the Académie Française who recognize that sexual genders are completely unrelated to grammatical genders despite what activists try to say. So we may just get some people who push back and tell people that chess isn’t racist and it’s people who are injecting race where it doesn’t exist (such as here in chess) who are the problem.

Have cooler heads prevailed in this regard? “Progressive” Americans degendering Spanish by referring to Latino people as “Latinx” seems to be going as strong as ever, despite the protests of actual native Spanish speakers. In their haste to appear progressive, people who say “Latinx” are ironically engaging in linguistic colonialism, as it were.

It's none of my business but personally I prefer latine[1]. IMO there's no need for white English speakers to tell Spanish speakers their language. We're all on the journey to a world with more than two genders together. Spanish speakers will figure out their own path to inclusivity.

1: https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/2019/10/15/20914347/latin-...

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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post #54

This reminds me of a story from a previous era of automated content moderation... When I was a student at the University of Cincinnati, I was a member of a group called LARC which stood for Laboratory for Recreational Computing. The main purpose of LARC was to get the University of Cincinnati to subsidize our yearly trip to DEFCON, but I digress. The UC mail servers, or at least the ones where the LARC mailing list w…

> All I remember is that the mail server transformed this into the "MALE GENITALIAtail table".

I now realize I have a Pac-Man MALE GENITALIAtail table, thanks.

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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> “White’s attack on black is brutal. White is stomping all over black’s defenses. The black king is gonna fall … ” Fortunately there's an easy solution: we can just replace "white" and "black" with neutral alternatives like "allow" and "deny" or "pass" and "block".

Was this reply made by an AI? The context of the suggestions seem GPT-3 close...

They are referencing the whitelist/blacklist debacle.

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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post #21

We need a word or phrase for this phenomenon, where we attempt to substitute human pattern recognition with algorithms that just aren't up to the job. Facebook moderation, Tesla Full Self Driving, the War Games movie, arrests for mistaken facial identification. It's becoming an increasingly dystopic force in our lives and will likely get much worse before getting even worse. So it needs a label. Maybe there's a ten s…

There's an acronym: OOD - out of distribution - for these situations.

There's no reason YT can't detect chess from hate speech if they updated their training set. Maybe they weren't aware of this failure case, or they didn't get to fix it, or by trying to fix it they caused more false negatives. The way they assign cost to a false positive vs a false negative is also related.

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