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Firefox May Have Lost Up to 12% of Its Users So Far in 2021

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Re: Firefox May Have Lost Up to 12% of Its Users So Far in 2021

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Hm, so showing ads on the home screen [1], doing pointless UI redesigns that waste screen space [2], adding features people actively DO not want [3], and breaking the mobile app [4] are NOT good ways to increase userbase? Who knew? [1] https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/ne... [2] https://discourse.mozilla.org/t/please-dont-remove-the-compa... [3] https://www.guidingtech.com/disable-pocket-firef…

Also pushing political agendas through push notifications.

Re: Firefox May Have Lost Up to 12% of Its Users So Far in 2021

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I really hate to sound negative talking about Mozilla, because I think their mission is appealing to me, but it came down to a matter of execution of that vision. From personal experience, my perception of Mozilla has been negatively affected by how they've handled the rewrite of Firefox for Android. It was released too early, and it's still missing the ability to search through browsing history. And there are still…

Have you tried Firefox Browser (Nightly for Developers)? I'm using that on Android since the whole debacle that you described. It mostly works fine and from the start it already had a lot of the features that are missing in the main Firefox. I don't understand how it can all be working fine in the dev build whilst the main visible product is so lacking. Sometimes the UI gets some odd changes with updates, but I haven…

I am running Nightly, actually, mostly in the hopes that the most important issues get fixed sooner. It doesn't seem like that's happening. I might end up going back to stable pretty soon.

I should also mention that Chrome on Android has none of the issues I described earlier. Wouldn't it make sense that even someone like me that desperately wants a reason to stand with Mozilla ends up giving into temptation and uses Brave half the time?

I hope that Mozilla can learn from its mistakes and stay competitive, given that the alternative is an Android browser monoculture. They're one of the few organizations with the resources to implement the increasingly encroaching burden of new web specifications, and I don't think a community-supported fork of Firefox or FfA will survive without some kind of miracle (see Waterfox and its need to eventually implement Web Components or fall out of relevance). The partial WebExtension support on mobile alone is one thing that gives me hope FfA will continue to see support for the near future.

Re: Firefox May Have Lost Up to 12% of Its Users So Far in 2021

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I loathe the days that window managers and apps decide to steal multiple pixels vertically for useless appearance "improvements". Thank you for making less content visible on my screen.

Firefox (currently) has a setting called browser.compactmode.show which makes the UI more compact when set to true. You might want to check it out? Using this setting, tab bar plus navigation bar take up 72 pixels vertically for me.

They are on record that it will be removed "real soon now". Apparently "nobody uses it"

Re: Firefox May Have Lost Up to 12% of Its Users So Far in 2021

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How did they manage that ?

By replacing focus with office politics, politics at the office, and a bunch of projects so stupid and far from their mission/audience that they literally can and did shock a theater full of people into silence. Blizzard specifically lost people passionate about their work, getting taken over by business types, realizing too late that it wasn't Blizzard the company that made great products, but great people making gr…

> a bunch of projects so stupid and far from their mission/audience that they literally can and did shock a theater full of people into silence.

I didn't hear about this. Care to explain?

Re: Firefox May Have Lost Up to 12% of Its Users So Far in 2021

#49

I'm hanging in there with Firefox as a matter of principle. Since Gecko is the only alternative engine left. However under Linux I feel the performance is worse then under Windows. On Windows Firefox performance feels closer to Chrome's performance.

For what it's worth, my Firefox on Linux performance problems disappeared as soon as I switched to Wayland. Touchpad scrolling is now smooth and responsive, like it is in Windows. I also force-enable WebRender, since I think it's disabled by default on Wayland, but I'm not sure if that's as big of a contributor as the change in windowing system (for some reason.)

Re: Firefox May Have Lost Up to 12% of Its Users So Far in 2021

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post #48

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By replacing focus with office politics, politics at the office, and a bunch of projects so stupid and far from their mission/audience that they literally can and did shock a theater full of people into silence. Blizzard specifically lost people passionate about their work, getting taken over by business types, realizing too late that it wasn't Blizzard the company that made great products, but great people making gr…

> a bunch of projects so stupid and far from their mission/audience that they literally can and did shock a theater full of people into silence. I didn't hear about this. Care to explain?

It's what happens when decision makers are completely disconnected from their audience.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmkHAlhCvWg

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