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Re: Show HN: Should I Get a House? a better rent vs. buy calculator

#91
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Why is the mortgage interest capped at 10%?

If your credit is so bad that you can't get a loan better than 10%, you should in no circumstances whatsoever be buying a home.

In the US yes, because inflation is 2.4%. Some countries have higher inflation.

Re: Show HN: Should I Get a House? a better rent vs. buy calculator

#92

One piece of millenial defeatism I hear a lot is "Ugh, I'll never be able to afford a 20% down payment, home ownership is impossible" I'm not sure where this myth came from, but as a millenial who went through the buying process in 2012 and again in 2016, I remember both times the lender just asked how much we wanted to put down. We could have gone as low as 3%, or maybe even lower. Yes, you have to pay PMI (private…

> I remember both times the lender just asked how much we wanted to put down

Well then why doesn't everyone say zero? Why is it even a thing?

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#93

These calculators seem to miss the point for me. If I spend less overall by renting, I don't care because I can't pass the property as an inheritance to my kids. If I buy, they get a house for free when I pass on. Also, if I rent, I have to continue to pay the same (high) rents through retirement where my income will likely drop drastically once I stop full time work. The aim of buying is to be mortgage-free when you…

The more sophisticated calculators allow you to compare buying and spending more on housing per month vs renting at a cheaper price and investing the extra money you have in the stock market. (Although many people may not have such discipline, and renting costs verse purchase costs are going to vary from market to market.)

There's no advantage to passing on a house to kids verse passing on stocks. Also, similarly, there's no advantage to going mortgage free in retirement verse being rich on stocks and selling the stocks to buy a house 30 years from now, or paying rent by selling stocks.

Re: Show HN: Should I Get a House? a better rent vs. buy calculator

#95
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Where do I enter the intangible value of owning: "Don't have to worry about getting priced out if the neighborhood becomes popular; can do any improvements I want, when I want, how I want, and they become an asset; don't have to worry about not getting lease renewed at an inconvenient time (perhaps in the middle of a school year) when the owner's nephew gets divorced and needs a place; on the other hand, don't have t…

> Versus, of course, for renting: "don't have to worry that the roof will need replacement, etc."

This is kind of a tangent, but worrying about maintenance is exactly why I own a house. When I rented, poor maintenance issues were my problem whether or not they were my responsibility. I'd much rather be empowered to do preventive maintenance or fix things immediately, than be forced to wait until something fails plus a few days for someone to show up to fix it.

Re: Show HN: Should I Get a House? a better rent vs. buy calculator

#96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very true. FHA loans let you put as little down as 3.5% for first time buyers. I wouldn’t recommend it but the opportunity is there.

FHA loans in a competitive market put the buyer at an extreme disadvantage versus conventional or cash.

You still hear of people in these markets snagging homes for like 5% down even with the competition. Maybe I misunderstand, but you don't pay any realtor any money until you buy the home. Seems that there isn't any pain being 'in the market' continually getting out offered 99 times out of 100, if it means you get an offer that one time and are going to be renting anyway until then. Plus the whole time you are presumably saving more money and coming up with a stronger down payment.

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#97
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This looks great! A couple of comments: - some (large?) portion of mortgages will not allow PMI to be removed until you either a) inject cash to get to 20% equity or b) get to the time in the amortization schedule when you are scheduled to get to 20% equity. That is, if your home increases in notional value by 20%, you still have to pay PMI. So the PMI line item should probably not terminate after 3 years. - It would…

If your home value has increased you can usually ask/tell the lender you believe the value has increased enough that PMI should fall off and that you'd like/are willing to pay for an appraisal (typically a few hundred dollars). Or, if your loan is owned by Fannie/Freddie, you may not even need an appraisal if the new value/increase is within certain percent range. I know this because I spoke toy lender (a credit unio…

Mine won't let me remove PMI early if value has risen until I have 2 years of payment history with them. I'm just looking at refinancing as it will be appraised that should remove PMI since we'll have more than 20% with the new value

Re: Show HN: Should I Get a House? a better rent vs. buy calculator

#98
In 2021, the buy vs rent decision is a little like Should I buy a whale ranch on Mars or Venus?

I suggest that the decision whether to rent a house might want to take into account that each rental ad is getting hundreds of applicants, each day - with few new ads showing up.

ref: https://www.militarytimes.com/pay-benefits/mil-money/2021/07...

ref: https://www.amisun.com/2021/06/27/once-in-a-generation-housi...

ref: https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/national-politics/the-...

ref: https://www.cbc.ca/news/bidding-wars-to-rent-a-house-in-onta...

Buying isn't any better with sales going to all-cash buyers who are paying way above and beyond market.

Re: Show HN: Should I Get a House? a better rent vs. buy calculator

#99
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Where do I enter the intangible value of owning: "Don't have to worry about getting priced out if the neighborhood becomes popular; can do any improvements I want, when I want, how I want, and they become an asset; don't have to worry about not getting lease renewed at an inconvenient time (perhaps in the middle of a school year) when the owner's nephew gets divorced and needs a place; on the other hand, don't have t…

> can do any improvements I want, when I want

This is the main thing I'm wondering about. Most people I know who own homes enjoy working on them. Home improvement becomes a hobby that they like, whether it's basic plumbing or painting the walls or building a deck. I despise this work (even though I do basic carpentry), and I fully consider it work that detracts from my life. It's like doing the dishes, it's a chore, and often stressful. Is owning a home worthwhile if I have no interest in these things? I do have great interest in privacy, not answering to a landlord, and not being priced out of an area.

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