Entire free world: China is hacking us. Entire comment section: b-b-but the US.
...and both are relevant.
China probably is "hacking us." US/NATO credibility is suspect.
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#212Entire free world: China is hacking us. Entire comment section: b-b-but the US.
don't forget the other stuff:
covid
chemicals in food/toys/products
ICBM tech to DPRK
all pretty recent.
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#213Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is meaningless. You're saying that since we have gotten it wrong in the past it must be wrong this time? That's not how it works. Show me your superior intelligence that contradicts this.
No, he's saying since the USG used a lie in order to further its' interests and which caused more than 500k deaths, it should not be trusted when it says anything about any other adversary.
>The U.S., NATO and other allies
Okay. What about NATO and "other allies" then?
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#214The USA hasn't yet provided evidence of Huwei spying for Chinese government.
You realize that all "private" companies and citizens in China are extensions of the Chinese government right? By law, all companies require party affiliation. So naturally, there is no separation between Huawei and the Chinese government.
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#216There is so much doubt in this comment section around the validity of the accusations. We have a number of countries putting forward the knowledge they have mutually agreed upon. What is shared is known to a high degree of certainty. Any details that are questionable would not have been shared prematurely.
"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction." — Dick Cheney, before the US and coalition of the willing invaded Iraq.
There's a few things wrong with this callback.
1) When that was stated there was serious pushback not just from US reporters but also other countries/allies.
2) It's pretty reasonable to believe that it is far easier to obtain hacking tools and knowledge as compared to weapons of mass destruction. You can't just download the knowledge and tools for nuclear weapons through the internet.
I get the cynicism and I agree that we should be doubtful and not trust our leaders at face value. But that doesn't mean that we should throw all evidence to the wind. It just demonstrates that we need to be more thoughtful in our analysis.
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#217Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not a question of getting something wrong. The Bush administration carried out a massive disinformation campaign to convince the public that Saddam had WMD - something they knew they had no good evidence for. Large parts of the media and most senior politicians in both major parties (including the current President of the US) went along with this disinformation campaign. After that experience, I'll believe the U…
> After that experience, I'll believe the US government only when they make all their evidence public, and even then, I'll be exceedingly skeptical. So who do you think carried out these attacks? Do you think that China does not carry out any offensive hacking? Do you think they do, but avoid the US for some reason? IMHO, these allegations are plausible enough to believe without strong evidence to the contrary. Takin…
Simply stated, the say-so of the US government does not change my belief either way.
If they claim to have evidence but don't provide it, I assume they don't have evidence, or that the evidence is weaker than they are claiming. If they do provide evidence, I consider the possibility that it has been tampered with, that its provenance is dubious, or that contrary evidence has been concealed.
We're talking about professional liars here. Not everything they say is wrong, but everything they say is suspect.
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Is there any evidence the US has directed the intentional sabotage of critical energy providers and food providers in Russia or China in recent years? Russia appears to be waging an all-out cyber war against the US at this point. Putin admitted as much in the hour-long interview with NBC a month ago. He declared as openly as he possibly could have that the US would be targeted until it came to the negotiating table (…
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Olympic_Games
Why when asked about "sabotage of critical energy providers and food providers in Russia or China" do you reply with sabotage of something in Iran which is neither an energy nor food provider?
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#219China has been accused of hacking and/or electronic spying by other states. Russia has been accused of hacking and/or electronic spying by other states. North Korea has been accused of hacking and/or electronic spying by other states. And yes, the US and quite a few European states -- and many other countries -- have also been accused of hacking and/or electronic spying by other states[a]. All these governments are p…
Interesting to see the USA complaining about the cyberwarfare activities of other countries. As if it didn't have an entire government agency and even military branches dedicated to nothing but this.
And I'd bet an awful lot of these attacks are using the very same tools that the NSA created and left on a wide open AWS server, which was discovered, and downloaded, and spread all over the planet by the "shadow brokers" group for anyone to use how they see fit. They even included handy dandy user manuals.
Chickens coming home to roost....
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#220Earlier quoted context omitted.
Interesting to see the USA complaining about the cyberwarfare activities of other countries. As if it didn't have an entire government agency and even military branches dedicated to nothing but this.
Is there any evidence the US has directed the intentional sabotage of critical energy providers and food providers in Russia or China in recent years? Russia appears to be waging an all-out cyber war against the US at this point. Putin admitted as much in the hour-long interview with NBC a month ago. He declared as openly as he possibly could have that the US would be targeted until it came to the negotiating table (…
The USA has sabotaged everyone. They have compromised everyone's security. They spy on everyone, even their own citizens. Domestic law enforcement agencies actively exploit vulnerabilities in software. The USA has satellites violating the airspace of sovereign nations, imaging them and collecting all of their communications. They're so active on these fronts that it's comical to see them complaining about other countries trying to do anything.