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U.S. and key allies accuse China of Microsoft Exchange cyberattacks

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There is so much doubt in this comment section around the validity of the accusations. We have a number of countries putting forward the knowledge they have mutually agreed upon. What is shared is known to a high degree of certainty. Any details that are questionable would not have been shared prematurely.

It's a combination of native, anti authoritarian populists and Chinese astro turfing

Re: U.S. and key allies accuse China of Microsoft Exchange cyberattacks

#92

There is so much doubt in this comment section around the validity of the accusations. We have a number of countries putting forward the knowledge they have mutually agreed upon. What is shared is known to a high degree of certainty. Any details that are questionable would not have been shared prematurely.

"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction." — Dick Cheney, before the US and coalition of the willing invaded Iraq.

Re: U.S. and key allies accuse China of Microsoft Exchange cyberattacks

#93

There is so much doubt in this comment section around the validity of the accusations. We have a number of countries putting forward the knowledge they have mutually agreed upon. What is shared is known to a high degree of certainty. Any details that are questionable would not have been shared prematurely.

> What is shared is known to a high degree of certainty.

Not to me, not to you. You're just believing them. My kid believes in Father Xmas "to a high degree of certainty."

See also Dick Cheney

They could just give us the evidence.

Re: U.S. and key allies accuse China of Microsoft Exchange cyberattacks

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No. It is not. China is a big country and the Chinese government does not control everything that is going on. Most hacking is done by kids with computers and uses trivial exploits: easy to guess passwords or security holes that are left unpatched for years after they are documented. Fairly regularly I get a phone call from a guy with a strong accent claiming to be from Microsoft support. No one blames the Indian or…

You're being deliberately obtuse about this. The simplest explanation for cyberattacks against high-profile targets coming out of countries like China (or the US, for that matter) isn't "rando script-kiddies having a laugh ha ha!". It's that their government intelligence forces did it. This kind of attempted misdirection is really common from people defending/spreading propaganda for the Chinese government. It's also…

Why is it deliberately obtuse to think that some of China's billion people could be independent black hat hackers? Are they incapable of being evil or greedy?

Re: U.S. and key allies accuse China of Microsoft Exchange cyberattacks

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post #92

There is so much doubt in this comment section around the validity of the accusations. We have a number of countries putting forward the knowledge they have mutually agreed upon. What is shared is known to a high degree of certainty. Any details that are questionable would not have been shared prematurely.

"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction." — Dick Cheney, before the US and coalition of the willing invaded Iraq.

Not commenting on OP, but you are talking about a single US regime.

And Many countries did independently investigate, and refuse help.

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Oh please. If the U.S. was so concerned about human rights violations they would stop funding Israel. Sorry dang.

They would also stop big bunch of other things.

Re: U.S. and key allies accuse China of Microsoft Exchange cyberattacks

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post #75

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Oh please. If the U.S. was so concerned about human rights violations they would stop funding Israel. Sorry dang.

The US has too many internal problem to be the world savior. Every time the US looks outside its border, it's for its sole selfish interests. Human rights enforcement around the world is (unfortunately) not something we can reasonaly expect from US. Also the U in US is extremely optimistic. Different states would act completely differently if allowed to.

The world need to look for a different hero: any proposal?

(For a good laugh, I reccomend watching the excellent "When the Yogurt took over" on Netflix)

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The challenge the NSA has is it possesses 2 separate missions that are often in direct conflict: secure the communications of the United States, and to collect, eavesdrop, and compromise the communications of other countries. The United States Atomic Energy Commission of the 1950s and 60s had the same problem. Their mission was to both regulate nuclear power as well as research and promote the widespread adoption of…

> Imagine a cyber defense agency that does nothing but find and fix holes in computing infrastructure and major software projects. It pays for exploits and then works to patch them, promotes bug bounties, develops secure coding standards, audits open source projects, etc. Imagine something like The National Endowment for the Arts (NEA) that instead funds critical pieces of software like openSSL, etc. I like this idea…

Or they should stop stealing tax payers money and dissolve these agencies. The one thing they are good at is digging deeper and deeper the debt account, for virtually no benefit, and surely nuisance and worries.

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post #78

It looks like cyber warfare, as well as espionage, is considered pretty much fair game in geopolitics nowadays. I wonder where the line is drawn that would make it an act of war. In any case, a direct attack from the Chinese government towards it's main trade partners (US, Germany and Japan among them) sounds crazy to me.

China goes down, so does aapl and tsla and our entire economy. Until the American voter is more powerful that the collected business interests of those mega-corps, China will be our most favored trade partner, even as they commit war crimes against the American people (in theory :)

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Re: U.S. and key allies accuse China of Microsoft Exchange cyberattacks

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The EU does not accuse the Chinese government of being behind the attacks. This is the EU press statement: https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2021... China: Declaration by the High Representative on behalf of the European Union urging Chinese authorities to take action against malicious cyber activities undertaken from its territory

Apparently you haven't read it at all These activities can be linked to the hacker groups known as Advanced Persistent Threat 40 and Advanced Persistent Threat 31 and have been conducted from the territory of China for the purpose of intellectual property theft and espionage.

Doesn't China own 51% of all companies?
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