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U.S. and key allies accuse China of Microsoft Exchange cyberattacks

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

GordonS wrote: post #162
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Source please.

I doubt you'll find a credible source - the security services are afterall very good at what they do. It's all circumstantial, but at the time you'd have been hard-pressed to find a single citizen who believed Kelly very conveniently killed himself at just the right time to prevent further damage to the government and their web of lies with the US.

I'm not sure I see what the theory is here. I could understand an argument that Kelly was killed to send a message, but it's hard to see what damage it could have prevented. If anything, his death confirmed the web of lies; the whole thing wouldn't have been a big deal if it were just a question of minor messaging details as the government was claiming.

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Post by partiallypro »

sebiw wrote: post #92
ppeetteerr wrote: post #68

There is so much doubt in this comment section around the validity of the accusations. We have a number of countries putting forward the knowledge they have mutually agreed upon. What is shared is known to a high degree of certainty. Any details that are questionable would not have been shared prematurely.

"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction." — Dick Cheney, before the US and coalition of the willing invaded Iraq.

Logical fallacy to say that China/Russia being behind hacking is false simply because of the Iraqi war. Of course I'm sure China/Russia absolutely love and actively push this fallacy. Just as China uses US's failures on certain civil rights to deflect from their concentration camps and slave labor.

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Post by adventured »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #187
cs702 wrote: post #130

China has been accused of hacking and/or electronic spying by other states. Russia has been accused of hacking and/or electronic spying by other states. North Korea has been accused of hacking and/or electronic spying by other states. And yes, the US and quite a few European states -- and many other countries -- have also been accused of hacking and/or electronic spying by other states[a]. All these governments are p…

Interesting to see the USA complaining about the cyberwarfare activities of other countries. As if it didn't have an entire government agency and even military branches dedicated to nothing but this.

Is there any evidence the US has directed the intentional sabotage of critical energy providers and food providers in Russia or China in recent years?

Russia appears to be waging an all-out cyber war against the US at this point. Putin admitted as much in the hour-long interview with NBC a month ago. He declared as openly as he possibly could have that the US would be targeted until it came to the negotiating table (they want sanctions etc. removed in exchange for stopping the attacks). So far the US appears to have been exceptionally reserved in its response, given it's a clear declaration of war by Russia to be intentionally targeting critical US infrastructure with attacks.

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Post by partiallypro »

chalst wrote: post #189
vxNsr wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don’t believe Tiktok is a national security threat you are hopelessly naive. MyFitnessPal, Strava, etc are threats to national security and they’re US based, but you think that Tiktok isn’t because someone you don’t like said it is? That’s playground logic.

Given the goals of the US, anything that weakens US hegemony can be regarded as a national security threat. Naturally, any internationally successful social media technology not under the control of US corporations counts. If you are not American, though, the TikTok drama has been one of the more darkly amusing spectacles.

The US isn't the only country that has claimed TikTok is a national security threat though.

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Post by jimmy2020 »

A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #53
jimmy2020 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is about 3 decades of seemingly intentional inability to deliver secure product. This is a consumer choice. You don't trust Microsoft, you don't use its services. On the government level, you ask for regulations if the situation is escalated (if necessary). But dealing with global cyberattacks is not Microsoft problem and it's not connected to one company or one service. It's an international responsibility to a…

Just the other day I was listening to a radio show ( further right than shown in mainstream ), where a user was clamoring for a proper locked down version of Windows where nothing can go wrong. The current situation ( and the resulting clamoring ) is absolutely a direct result of people who create this software. Trying to shift the blame onto nonexistent framework is at best laughable and at worst very deceptive. It…

You have a valid point. I am not arguing against it. I was trying to say discussing how MS deals with the subject is not the point. But after reading your recent comment, well, I guess we should talk more about MS failure.

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Post by partiallypro »

Leparamour wrote: post #72
ppeetteerr wrote: post #68

There is so much doubt in this comment section around the validity of the accusations. We have a number of countries putting forward the knowledge they have mutually agreed upon. What is shared is known to a high degree of certainty. Any details that are questionable would not have been shared prematurely.

China is just the bogeyman of the hour. If it were more politically convenient to blame Russia or Iran you'd suddenly find the same evidence pointing a different way.

The CCP runs concentration camps and is actively perpetuating ethnic cleansing. That doesn't seem "of the hour." That ignores CCP doings for the past 30+ years that have cost millions of lives.

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Post by jimmy2020 »

Woodi wrote: post #51
jimmy2020 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is about 3 decades of seemingly intentional inability to deliver secure product. This is a consumer choice. You don't trust Microsoft, you don't use its services. On the government level, you ask for regulations if the situation is escalated (if necessary). But dealing with global cyberattacks is not Microsoft problem and it's not connected to one company or one service. It's an international responsibility to a…

Look, you could be right in... usual case. But we speaking freaking NATO here !!!!! Do you attach string to hand granade and hand other side to your adversary ? And then argue that someone pulled it ?? Microsoft Windows and Microsoft Exchange is SYNONYM to "security HOLE" ! So tell me - why customer NATO _choose_ to use this ?

I don't think NATO has any value here. It's a signal of unity not just to China but to Russia. This is how Biden admin defines "America is back". So it might be aggressive but actually, it's a unity message. Us, the allies, against them the adversaries.

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Post by partiallypro »

throwaway4good wrote: post #24
throwaway4good wrote: post #22

The EU does not accuse the Chinese government of being behind the attacks. This is the EU press statement: https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2021... China: Declaration by the High Representative on behalf of the European Union urging Chinese authorities to take action against malicious cyber activities undertaken from its territory

An indication that the EU does not believe the probably American intelligence assessment that these hackers operate on behalf of the Chinese government.

Or it is simply that the EU has turned into such a massive trading partner with China that it can't publicly deal with repercussions and just puts its head down as the US points it out. Germany does this with Russia too. Ignoring a lot of what it is doing in Ukraine to remain in the good graces to secure gas pipelines. Just because the EU doesn't publicly say it doesn't mean it isn't privately agreed upon.

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Post by fuggggff »

ppeetteerr wrote: post #68

There is so much doubt in this comment section around the validity of the accusations. We have a number of countries putting forward the knowledge they have mutually agreed upon. What is shared is known to a high degree of certainty. Any details that are questionable would not have been shared prematurely.

There's NEVER any evidence posted, just "experts agree". In the past they at least trotted out that a "russian IP" or a "Chinese tool" was used ( e.g. the strings command showed Chinese strings in the binary). Evidence so flimsy a computer literate teenager would not be convinced. Now they can't even do that?

Sorry but a bunch of politicians agreeing isn't evidence. I have a higher standard.

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Post by clydethefrog »

adventured wrote: post #193
matheusmoreira wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting to see the USA complaining about the cyberwarfare activities of other countries. As if it didn't have an entire government agency and even military branches dedicated to nothing but this.

Is there any evidence the US has directed the intentional sabotage of critical energy providers and food providers in Russia or China in recent years? Russia appears to be waging an all-out cyber war against the US at this point. Putin admitted as much in the hour-long interview with NBC a month ago. He declared as openly as he possibly could have that the US would be targeted until it came to the negotiating table (…

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