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Re: U.S. and key allies accuse China of Microsoft Exchange cyberattacks

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Post by xwolfi »

deregulateMed wrote: post #99
saddata wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China goes down, so does aapl and tsla and our entire economy. Until the American voter is more powerful that the collected business interests of those mega-corps, China will be our most favored trade partner, even as they commit war crimes against the American people (in theory :)

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I live in Hong Kong, and I don't care either lol. It's not that bad, so far.

The genocide, I stay a bit careful, I tended to consider direct immediate murder as genocide to respect a bit the Holocaust, but I would say they'll pay for it a thousandfold. They're building the Xinjiang country like never before by giving them a shared oppressive history. Israel "started" (or at least really took off) like that so...

I cannot fathom how they don't see it, and that's the weakness of the party: it's so top down, if a stupid idea comes from high enough, it'll get implemented to the most stupid detail.

Re: U.S. and key allies accuse China of Microsoft Exchange cyberattacks

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

Leparamour wrote: post #90
enkid wrote: post #79

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Russia and Iran do cyberattacks all the time. We have good evidence of these attacks from many sources. Same with China. The idea that these attacks are just being made up or we don't have evidence who executed them is either willfully ignorant (a google search will provide plenty of evidence) or actively malicious.

> The idea that these attacks are just being made up or we don't have evidence who executed them is either willfully ignorant (a google search will provide plenty of evidence) or actively malicious. Tools to fake such attribution and evidence were literally part of the leaked NSA/Equation Group toolkit.

Sure, and we should be willing to entertain skepticism of specific incidents when justified. The idea that there's no such thing as real attribution, that it's always fabricated based on political convenience, is just unproductive nihilism.

Re: U.S. and key allies accuse China of Microsoft Exchange cyberattacks

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Post by AndrewUnmuted »

deregulateMed wrote: post #95
sebiw wrote: post #92

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"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction." — Dick Cheney, before the US and coalition of the willing invaded Iraq.

Not commenting on OP, but you are talking about a single US regime. And Many countries did independently investigate, and refuse help.

Many countries did also provide help, even though they knew the "single US regime" was likely to be lying & fabricating.

This regime has remained in power ever since Bush's 8 year reign of terror. In fact, they were in power even before George W. Bush's administration. The name of the president may change, but the people running the US war machine remain the same.

Re: U.S. and key allies accuse China of Microsoft Exchange cyberattacks

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

cloverich wrote: post #109
CivBase wrote: post #84

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> The challenge the NSA has is it possesses 2 separate missions that are often in direct conflict: secure the communications of the United States, and to collect, eavesdrop, and compromise the communications of other countries. I don't know... isn't that like saying a military general has 2 conflicting missions: offense and defense? We trust military leaders with both duties, even though they could theoretically sacr…

Genuinely curious about the downvotes on this. I know political stances often trump generally reasoned arguments on HN -- is it that this thread isn't _outright_ anti NSA?

Probably. I know people in my circles who believe without caveats or qualifications that the NSA is evil, that we just shouldn't have spy agencies at all, and wouldn't entertain any sort of abstract discussion of how the work should be organized.

Re: U.S. and key allies accuse China of Microsoft Exchange cyberattacks

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Post by wyuenho »

ppeetteerr wrote: post #68

There is so much doubt in this comment section around the validity of the accusations. We have a number of countries putting forward the knowledge they have mutually agreed upon. What is shared is known to a high degree of certainty. Any details that are questionable would not have been shared prematurely.

Refer them to the DOJ indictment and CISA advisory

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/four-chinese-nationals-workin...

https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/alerts/aa21-200a

Re: U.S. and key allies accuse China of Microsoft Exchange cyberattacks

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Post by sudosysgen »

smrk007 wrote: post #36
sudosysgen wrote: post #27

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So which key allies follow the US accusation? Is the title just wrong?

> The U.S., NATO, European Union, U.K., Australia, Canada, New Zealand and Japan

The parent says the EU doesnt actually support the accusations, so I dont know if the others are also true.

Re: U.S. and key allies accuse China of Microsoft Exchange cyberattacks

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Post by omgwtfbbq »

ppeetteerr wrote: post #68

There is so much doubt in this comment section around the validity of the accusations. We have a number of countries putting forward the knowledge they have mutually agreed upon. What is shared is known to a high degree of certainty. Any details that are questionable would not have been shared prematurely.

Chinese astroturfing is rampant on HN. Inb4 toothless spineless mods warning me about this comment. Bought and paid for.

Re: U.S. and key allies accuse China of Microsoft Exchange cyberattacks

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Post by wyuenho »

GordonS wrote: post #105
deregulateMed wrote: post #95

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Not commenting on OP, but you are talking about a single US regime. And Many countries did independently investigate, and refuse help.

Actually, the US worked to fabricate evidence in collaboration with the UK too. The UK had an expert produce the so called "dodgy dossier", that was used as Blair's justification to follow the US into their illegal war. The media called it out as obvious bullshit, then the guy that produced the report allegedly committed a timely suicide.

But the EU didn't join the war.

Re: U.S. and key allies accuse China of Microsoft Exchange cyberattacks

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Post by sudosysgen »

wyuenho wrote: post #87
throwaway4good wrote: post #56

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No. It is not. China is a big country and the Chinese government does not control everything that is going on. Most hacking is done by kids with computers and uses trivial exploits: easy to guess passwords or security holes that are left unpatched for years after they are documented. Fairly regularly I get a phone call from a guy with a strong accent claiming to be from Microsoft support. No one blames the Indian or…

Whether the Chinese government has control over these APTs, the crime originated on Chinese soil, and it's their responsibility to deal with these threats. What's so hard for you to understand?

I don't think this makes much sense. We don't even know if the APTs actually do operate on Chinese soil, much less that the Chinese government condones them.

All we know is that they used Chinese IPs at some point and Chinese configured computers, and that they went after military targets.

And we don't even know that these are the same APTs.

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