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Re: Private Israeli spyware used to hack cellphones of journalists, activists

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Post by Mountain_Skies » Mon, Jul 19, 2021, 12:49 AM UTC

jdavis703 wrote: post #120

nyolfen wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

last may, i recall public health officials and figures coming forward to say that mass protests were acceptable because racism was a greater public health threat than covid. you can see a similar push for gun control using the same rhetoric taking shape

What health officers said is that 1st amendment rights supersede health orders. Perhaps you could link to a health officer or health order saying otherwise?

What did public health officials say about those who protested lockdowns?

Re: Private Israeli spyware used to hack cellphones of journalists, activists

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Post by twobitshifter » Mon, Jul 19, 2021, 12:54 AM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #81

Are there U.S. laws NSO Group has violated? If not, how would laws define the prohibited activity? We’re at the point of, at the very least, barring NSO Group, its employees and its investors from travelling to the U.S., using our financial system or keeping assets here. (Which would indirectly bar our police departments and agencies from contracting with them.) Financing terrorism is a crime. Aiding and abetting jou…

They claim their software cannot be used on us phone numbers, but it’s suspected that Bezos was hacked using NSO’s “Pegasus” by the Saudis.

Re: Private Israeli spyware used to hack cellphones of journalists, activists

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Post by contravariant » Mon, Jul 19, 2021, 12:56 AM UTC

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #10

pmoriarty wrote: post #2

I hate to say it, but if what you're communicating could risk your life or that of someone else you might want to avoid using computers to communicate it altogether. Old-school techniques such as physically smuggling microdots[1] seem much safer than relying on any computer technology, which can always be hacked. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microdot

I think if you sell an exploit and it's used in a crime you should be held accountable as if you sold a weapon to an enemy.

I don't disagree but how many occasions can you name where a country was being held accountable for weapons getting in the wrong hands?

Or a company for that matter, if we want to keep up the pretense that the NSO group is acting independently.

Re: Private Israeli spyware used to hack cellphones of journalists, activists

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Post by chitowneats » Mon, Jul 19, 2021, 1:11 AM UTC

jdavis703 wrote: post #120

nyolfen wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

last may, i recall public health officials and figures coming forward to say that mass protests were acceptable because racism was a greater public health threat than covid. you can see a similar push for gun control using the same rhetoric taking shape

What health officers said is that 1st amendment rights supersede health orders. Perhaps you could link to a health officer or health order saying otherwise?

I don't recall health officers specifically saying this. But it was public policy in NYC to explicitly not trace infections spread through the George Floyd protests:

https://www.businessinsider.com/nyc-contact-tracers-not-aski...

Re: Private Israeli spyware used to hack cellphones of journalists, activists

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Post by rStar » Mon, Jul 19, 2021, 1:13 AM UTC

this tech is developed against vulnerable people that have no rights, like the uighur muslims in china and the palestinian muslims in israel/palestine. it is then exported all over the world to be unleashed against us all. that's why we need to look out for the "least (powerful) among us." when you protect and advocate for the rights of the weak, you are actually advocating for your future possible self, and any offspring you may bring into the world that you may care about the welfare of, after you are gone.

Re: Private Israeli spyware used to hack cellphones of journalists, activists

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Post by rStar » Mon, Jul 19, 2021, 1:24 AM UTC

nyolfen wrote: post #118

emilsedgh wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you provid examples of this? De we have examples of public health being leveraged for anything other than public health?

last may, i recall public health officials and figures coming forward to say that mass protests were acceptable because racism was a greater public health threat than covid. you can see a similar push for gun control using the same rhetoric taking shape

those health officials couldn't bring themselves to offend the protesters by pointing out that the protests were cesspools of shedding virus. even though the protests were cesspools of shedding virus.

Re: Private Israeli spyware used to hack cellphones of journalists, activists

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Post by satori99 » Mon, Jul 19, 2021, 1:25 AM UTC

emilsedgh wrote: post #105

briefcomment wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It might hard to accept this, but "public health" is now a part of the surveillance justification tool kit too. When it's impossible to argue against measures taken in defense of public health without seeming selfish, why wouldn't it be?

Can you provid examples of this? De we have examples of public health being leveraged for anything other than public health?

Several state governments in Australia recently had to enact special legislation to stop law enforcement from using covid tracking data to find witnesses and suspects.

All state governments had initially ensured the public that the data was not available to LE, but none of them had actually passed legislation to make it unlawful until journalists discovered that the Police were using the data.

https://www.afr.com/policy/health-and-education/call-for-nat...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-15/safewa-app-sparks-urg...

https://www.innovationaus.com/qld-police-accessed-qr-code-ch...

Re: Private Israeli spyware used to hack cellphones of journalists, activists

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Post by throwaway69123 » Mon, Jul 19, 2021, 1:26 AM UTC

How is this any different to selling other types of weapons?

Re: Private Israeli spyware used to hack cellphones of journalists, activists

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Post by NationalPark » Mon, Jul 19, 2021, 1:27 AM UTC

rStar wrote: post #126

nyolfen wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

last may, i recall public health officials and figures coming forward to say that mass protests were acceptable because racism was a greater public health threat than covid. you can see a similar push for gun control using the same rhetoric taking shape

those health officials couldn't bring themselves to offend the protesters by pointing out that the protests were cesspools of shedding virus. even though the protests were cesspools of shedding virus.

Do you have any references for that? I’ve read a few informal attempts and nobody had compelling evidence that the protests caused increased transmission. Seems unlikely since they were outdoors, which is now known to be relatively safe right?

Re: Private Israeli spyware used to hack cellphones of journalists, activists

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Post by rStar » Mon, Jul 19, 2021, 1:37 AM UTC

NationalPark wrote: post #129

rStar wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

those health officials couldn't bring themselves to offend the protesters by pointing out that the protests were cesspools of shedding virus. even though the protests were cesspools of shedding virus.

Do you have any references for that? I’ve read a few informal attempts and nobody had compelling evidence that the protests caused increased transmission. Seems unlikely since they were outdoors, which is now known to be relatively safe right?

outdoors with a 6' halo is fine in most cases, even with an unvaccinated population. The protests were not that in many cases, but health officials refused to tell people to stop, for whatever reasons they had. I believe the reasons were personal cowardice and dereliction of duty in the face of being scared of being called racist.