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An app for M1 Macs that plays the sound of a fan as CPU usage goes up

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Re: An app for M1 Macs that plays the sound of a fan as CPU usage goes up

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Hm. I've always thought it was more of a result of our current display technology? Digital displays buffer an entire frame before they display it. Sometimes several frames. And the refresh rate is usually 60 Hz so each buffered frame adds a delay of 16 ms. CRTs on the other hand have basically zero latency because the signal coming in directly controls the intensity of the beam as it draws the picture. Anyway, is it…

CRTs are potentially worse. It takes the electron beam 16 ms to paint the screen. If the electron beam is halfway down the screen and you change a pixel right above where the beam just painted, you'll have to wait 16 ms before you see anything change. All CRT displays attached to computers in the last 40 years were driven from memory buffers just like LCDs, and those buffers were typically only allowed to change whil…

> CRTs are potentially worse.

Video game aficionados would like to have a word with you:

https://www.wired.com/story/crt-tube-tv-hot-gaming-tech-retr...

To be fair, much of this is the color and shape rendering, where pixel art had been tailored for CRTs.

Twitchy gamers do swear by “zero input lag” but are perhaps just nostalgic, difference is likely to be 8ms vs. 10ms:

“Using the industry-standard definition of input lag, 60Hz CRTs don't have 0ms input lag. 60Hz CRTs have 8.3ms of input lag…”

https://www.resetera.com/threads/crts-have-8-3ms-of-input-la...

Re: An app for M1 Macs that plays the sound of a fan as CPU usage goes up

#192

Wondering if it's just me: I bought an M1 MacBook Air with 8GB of RAM, based on reports saying that RAM management is much more effective than with Intel CPUs. Ever since, I'm really struggling with load management. I typically have Chrome open with 20-30 tabs, plus a couple of Electron apps (Notion, Slack, Google Calendar), and my MacBook frequently slows down to a crawl or gets stuck entirely. Simple commands - "cl…

Same here (although it’s more like 200 open tabs across 10 virtual desktops). It still feels slower than my cheap Atom netbook, but the battery life and hardware quality more than makes up for it.

This might be an opportunity to tweak my browsing habits.

Re: An app for M1 Macs that plays the sound of a fan as CPU usage goes up

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Pre M1, I've always preferred a PC. When I'm using a laptop, especially doing real work, they heat up, the fans go crazy, the laptop is hot to the touch and everything slows down. It almost makes you anxious. You're wondering if it's about to crash or go on fire. I've always kept a Desktop PC on the go for this reason, a well cooled desktop just doesn't have these issues. With a laptop, I always feel like I'm comprom…

I'm eager to see what can be done with the desktop tower workstation post-M1. I don't think anyone actually wants to have a slim laptop and use "the cloud" to "download more memory" but here we are in 2021 where people are saying 16gb max ram is good.

Re: An app for M1 Macs that plays the sound of a fan as CPU usage goes up

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I believe the point is that the "main thread" for your iOS application, is not the main thread of the OS. They're totally decoupled.

Err, same with Android? And every OS ever. That's just standard process isolation. Or am I misunderstanding something?

There’s some deep dive articles on the way the input loop works. But OP is correct, and the reason iOS feels smoother. Android has a lot more UI lag.

Re: An app for M1 Macs that plays the sound of a fan as CPU usage goes up

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Anecdotally, the M1 feels very performant with 8gb (I have MBP and Mini 8gb variants) compared to my 16gb Intel MBP and my 32gb Hackintosh. That said - it’s not magic. 30 tabs in Chrome is a lot if you’re not using a tab suspender extension. But one thing I do notice is that when a Rosetta 2 app is running, the entire machine seems to take a hit. I would check the architecture of your apps and see if you have any x86…

Lol 30 tabs is a lot? I'm running 32 gb ram on windows i7-6700 3.4 ghz on mini ATX and currently have 883 tabs open, using marvelous suspender and few other tweaks, but still have 95 windows opens (1 tab typically alive in each window minimum excluding my suspension blacklist...). Also have photoshop, notion, and a few other apps going and am running smoothly at 40-70% cpu utilization and 85% memory...

I think the "if you're not using a tab background suspender" part was important there.

Not sure if Chrome is still this way, but it would allow background tabs to still run things like JS even after hours of not being focused.

Re: An app for M1 Macs that plays the sound of a fan as CPU usage goes up

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I like it if the laptop only starts the fan up when the device actually is working. Not constantly turning it on and off during like light web browsing. My 2018 MBP 13” and the Surface Laptop I’ve tried did that well. An XPS 15 I’m currently using does not.

Web browsing isn't a light activity anymore. Web pages consume more memory and more CPU than my text editor

That’s why I specified “light web browsing”.

Re: An app for M1 Macs that plays the sound of a fan as CPU usage goes up

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As a hardware nerd I always kind of like that moment when the CPU starts really working and you hear fans spin way up. The auditory feedback is like a throwback to a more mechanical age, like a manual transmission vehicle where you can judge when to shift by engine speed.

When I replaced all my spinning disks with SSDs and fans with ultra quiet ones I realized just how much I relied on fan noise to signal things. E.g. if my computer isn’t visibly on, the fan/disk noise tells me whether I need to power it on or just wake it. I’ve had to start changing my habits as a result.

And it dates back from 1988 for me. I’d always rely on the nice scratching sound of the HDD and the LED to know whether my computer had crashed or was just loading. There was no need for a spinning wheel when you could hear the data getting loaded ;)

Re: An app for M1 Macs that plays the sound of a fan as CPU usage goes up

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and big sur and up... unfortunately the quality of the OS is not keeping up with the quality of the hw.

The best OS of existing.

Surely you're joking here.

Re: An app for M1 Macs that plays the sound of a fan as CPU usage goes up

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PC originally meant "IBM PC desktop clone". Apple was different because it's hardware wasn't compatible with PC software (for mainstream users).

"PC" was "personal computer" years before the IBM PC. Just look at old computer magazines. The whole reason the phrase "IBM PC" existed was to differentiate it from the other PCs that already existed. "IBM" was the adjective. "PC" was the noun. Because of its success in offices, "IBM PC" became just "PC" the same way other words like "omnibus" became just "bus" because it's simpler to say.

This is the correct answer - and PC originally, or "Personal Computer" is more of a distinction from old school mainframe computers that lived in a lab or wherever and took up entire rooms.

Re: An app for M1 Macs that plays the sound of a fan as CPU usage goes up

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The M1 line up seems great but... I'm very surprised by all the comments from people discovering what a quiet computer is like in 2021. I've been running PCs so quiet they're inaudible since, what, nearly two decades now!? (since basically the first consumer SSDs started hitting the market: don't remember when that was but it was a long time ago) An ultra quiet PSU, a gigantic CPU heatsink, a huge CPU fan running so…

Computers like the "HUAWEI MateBook X" are fanless with a powerful CPU (10th Gen Intel® Core™ i5-10210U Processor, 1.6 GHz 4 cores, Turbo up to 4.2 GHz). https://consumer.huawei.com/en/laptops/matebook-x-2020/specs...

I have used also a Surface Pro for a long time, and not being modern as this new Apple laptop, it is a full-fledged Windows 10 machine that can run any programming IDE, virtual machines, etc. and completely silent.

Can someone explain why the down-votes for TacticalCoder for just stating facts? I really don't get, unless it is pure Apple fandom and that would be just silly.

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