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'Havana syndrome'-like mystery illness affects Vienna US diplomats

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I had a theory about this illness. I dance a bit of salsa, and sometimes there were cuban DJs at the festivals I visited. They all always tended to do one thing with their sound setup: they overamplified the higher part of the audio spectrum, producing a hissing distortion of sound. It had an effect on me very similar on what is described about Havana embassy: headache and slight nausea. I tried talking to those DJs…

That's a bit of stretch, I think. I got my Tinnitus after my Cuba vacation too and I've seen some salsa practices when I was there however none of those had a loud music. I'm not into DJs and my only attempt to trying to get into a venue with a DJ ended with a frustration after giving up waiting in the lane to get into the Cave club in Trinidad.

Also, later I found out that my tinnitus is due to my unhealthy sitting position when using a copmuter that apparently was not so good on my neck.

Re: 'Havana syndrome'-like mystery illness affects Vienna US diplomats

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> The syndrome is unexplained, but US scientists say it is most probably caused by directed microwave radiation.

A lot of scientists, American and non-American alike, doubted the microwave weapon theory.

> The US accused Cuba of carrying out "sonic attacks", which it strongly denied, and the incident led to increased tension between the two nations.

The sound of the "sonic attacks" turned out to be the sound of indigenous Cuban crickets. Oops! https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/recording-of-soni...

You can listen to the sound here: https://apnews.com/article/health-north-america-ap-top-news-...

> A 2019 US academic study found "brain abnormalities" in the diplomats who had fallen ill, but Cuba dismissed the report.

As did a lot of academics:

"The latest brain scans may provide fresh evidence of some injury, but the study was not without critics and some researchers have questioned whether there was any kind of attack at all.

“Finding evidence of brain change doesn’t provide evidence of brain injury or damage,” said Dr. Jon Stone, a professor of neurology at the Centre for Clinical Brain Sciences at the University of Edinburgh, who was not involved in the study.

Dr. Sergio Della Sala, a professor of human cognitive neuroscience also at the University of Edinburgh, in an email called the study “half baked.”

He noted that 12 of the affected workers who had a history of concussion prior to going to Cuba were included in the analyzes. “In comparison, none of the controls declared previous brain injury. This in itself could cause statistical group differences,” Della Sala said."

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/scans-show-changes-to-br...

In his commentary Della Sala writes: "The JAMA article represents a case of poor neuropsychology; clinically inappropriate and methodologically improper." https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00109...

Re: 'Havana syndrome'-like mystery illness affects Vienna US diplomats

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Is it technically difficult to detect abnormal microwave energy in this kind of situation? I know you can get a microwave oven leak detector for about thirty dollars.

These detectors might very well be a scam targeted at people who believe any kind of radiation is bad for them.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The news stories alone accomplish that, no need to attack anyone/anyone else.

Not sure if you're being sarcastic, but the new stories exist because of the attacks. If they didn't do the attack... there wouldn't be any news stories, would there?

No, the news stories exist because people have strange symptoms. Even with no attacks the stories could happen.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The news stories alone accomplish that, no need to attack anyone/anyone else.

You must not read the news much, stories don't stick around long. Something that happened last week might as well not exist.

People don't need to watch Jaws every day to still be afraid of sharks.

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So it is happening to US diplomats on two unrelated locations, which indicates that the common element is the US. What if it's as a result of a US spy-craft instrument/substance side effect that potentially was not disclosed to the diplomats who suffer?

What explains the Canadian cases? Is the US testing some weapon on them also?

My hunch is this is more likely something the Russians are carrying out since both locations (Cuba/Vienna) are readily accessible to their agents.

Re: 'Havana syndrome'-like mystery illness affects Vienna US diplomats

#57

>Cases of the condition have been reported elsewhere in the world, but US officials say the numbers in Vienna are greater than in any other city apart from Havana. Hadn't heard it was this wide-spread. What are the chances their own security systems are at fault? If not, then at this scale couldn't thermal imaging spot something?

EM radiation in the microwave range is super-easy to monitor using bog-standard spectrum analyzers.

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post #10

So it is happening to US diplomats on two unrelated locations, which indicates that the common element is the US. What if it's as a result of a US spy-craft instrument/substance side effect that potentially was not disclosed to the diplomats who suffer?

What explains the Canadian cases? Is the US testing some weapon on them also? My hunch is this is more likely something the Russians are carrying out since both locations (Cuba/Vienna) are readily accessible to their agents.

> What explains the Canadian cases?

Intelligence cooperation? I’m inclined to think that it would the the science and technology superpower that would be using devices that are out of reach for the rest. That superpower is not Cuba, not even Russia anymore. The US also has a history of being bold on extralegal experimentations with substances and devices.

Re: 'Havana syndrome'-like mystery illness affects Vienna US diplomats

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post #10

So it is happening to US diplomats on two unrelated locations, which indicates that the common element is the US. What if it's as a result of a US spy-craft instrument/substance side effect that potentially was not disclosed to the diplomats who suffer?

Or it’s a 3rd party targeting the US?

The common party being the US doesn’t mean it was caused by the US.

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