>Cases of the condition have been reported elsewhere in the world, but US officials say the numbers in Vienna are greater than in any other city apart from Havana. Hadn't heard it was this wide-spread. What are the chances their own security systems are at fault? If not, then at this scale couldn't thermal imaging spot something?
'Havana syndrome'-like mystery illness affects Vienna US diplomats
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#12If this is an attack what’s the point of it. It’s not like it has any useful effects on anything either politically or militarily.
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#13If this is an attack what’s the point of it. It’s not like it has any useful effects on anything either politically or militarily.
> what's the point of it the point is probably how every US diplomat around the globe probably goes to sleep every night thinking "I hope I wake up tomorrow with without permanent brain damage"
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#14So it is happening to US diplomats on two unrelated locations, which indicates that the common element is the US. What if it's as a result of a US spy-craft instrument/substance side effect that potentially was not disclosed to the diplomats who suffer?
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#15When you have syndromes with a huge number of symptoms, including extremely common conditions, and the symptoms are largely untestable, relying on patient self-reporting, then you're going to catch a lot of people with these symptoms. This is the exact same thing with Long Covid, or Gulf War Syndrome. The most interesting thing about Havana Syndrome is that it apparently only affects English-speaking diplomats in Ame…
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#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
> what's the point of it the point is probably how every US diplomat around the globe probably goes to sleep every night thinking "I hope I wake up tomorrow with without permanent brain damage"
Are there any documented cases of permanent brain damage from these "attacks"?
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#17If this is an attack what’s the point of it. It’s not like it has any useful effects on anything either politically or militarily.
> what's the point of it the point is probably how every US diplomat around the globe probably goes to sleep every night thinking "I hope I wake up tomorrow with without permanent brain damage"
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#19If this is an attack what’s the point of it. It’s not like it has any useful effects on anything either politically or militarily.
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#20When you have syndromes with a huge number of symptoms, including extremely common conditions, and the symptoms are largely untestable, relying on patient self-reporting, then you're going to catch a lot of people with these symptoms. This is the exact same thing with Long Covid, or Gulf War Syndrome. The most interesting thing about Havana Syndrome is that it apparently only affects English-speaking diplomats in Ame…
Is your example trying to argue that Havana syndrome isn't physiological? Because that what I get from your tone, but the data you provide argues the opposite.
Both times a collection of unrelated people reported consistently reported broad but similar/overlapping symptoms, and in both cases (Gulf War Syndrome, and Long Covid) they were later shown to be objectively legit even though they weren't taken as seriously at first.
It seems like the same thing with this - in my book its a bit too coincidental at this point. Not to mention happening all around the same time period in a new location.