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Cancer risks increase with alcohol use, leading to over 740k cases last year

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And keep in mind alcoholics are under-reporters ( that is, they probably drink more than they admit ). Disclaimer : former 'functioning' alcoholic.

If heavy consumers under-reported in an observational study, that would make drinking less seem worse than it really is.

Yes. Hopefully the study accounted for under reporting.

Re: Cancer risks increase with alcohol use, leading to over 740k cases last year

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Makes sense. I once read if humans were biologically immortal, everyone would basically get cancer if they lived to be 2,000 years old. It's just inevitable. Hopefully it comes later in life, rather than sooner.

Yeah, cells have to replicate. And whenever they do, there's a chance of mutation. And whenever that happens, there's a chance it will be malignant.

Multiply up enough of those chances over time, and the limit approaches a 100% chance. It's almost surprising that so few people die of cancer.

Of course, it's always happening, and our bodies are fighting it off all the time. But each time they try, there's a chance that it won't be effective. So it still over time approaches 100%, if something else doesn't get you first.

Re: Cancer risks increase with alcohol use, leading to over 740k cases last year

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The abundance of pseudo scientific studies that; Confuse correlation with causation. Fail to control for anything to get an interesting conclusion. Or just exaggerate the results. Has left me to instinctively assume, just from the title that either; Cancer causes alcohol use. Alcohol use causes smoking. Or their sampling groups is in a cancer ward.

I'm not saying this is a bad study, or article. I'm just commenting on the sheer amount of crap circulating is leading to a general skepticism that seems to be filtering out people like me from even clicking the title/link to these studies.

Re: Cancer risks increase with alcohol use, leading to over 740k cases last year

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Many of my friends doubled down on their alcohol use during the pandemic. This might be another side effect of lockdowns that will kill people and simply be ignored by decision makers.

Funny. I stopped drinking altogether during the pandemic. It was too hard to get alcohol in the early months, and I just stopped drinking. Pre pandemic my wife and I would have a beer or glass of wine every night, maybe another one while cooking. Always when out with friends. Now, I may only have 2-3 drinks a month. Our drinking wasn’t problematic but I absolutely notice improvements in my health - I don’t feel like shit in the mornings. Thanks Covid!

Re: Cancer risks increase with alcohol use, leading to over 740k cases last year

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post #123

The abundance of pseudo scientific studies that; Confuse correlation with causation. Fail to control for anything to get an interesting conclusion. Or just exaggerate the results. Has left me to instinctively assume, just from the title that either; Cancer causes alcohol use. Alcohol use causes smoking. Or their sampling groups is in a cancer ward. I'm not saying this is a bad study, or article. I'm just commenting o…

Causation, from the article:

> Ethanol, the form of alcohol present in beer, wine and liquor, breaks down to form a known carcinogen called acetaldehyde, which damages DNA and interferes with cells' ability to repair the damage.

> Alcohol can also increase levels of hormones, including estrogen. Hormones signal cells to grow and divide. With more cell division, there are more opportunities for cancer to develop. Alcohol also reduces the body's ability to absorb certain cancer-protective nutrients, including vitamins A, C, D, E and folate.

Re: Cancer risks increase with alcohol use, leading to over 740k cases last year

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and these limits are set arbitrarily and are often even more detrimental. If you know the doc says you can have 14 but not 15, you now have a target to be "ok" when you show up to the doctor. If the gap between 14 and 15 is linear and not somehow logarithmic then you're telling me that consuming exactly two drinks a day will be fine, but that extra scotch you have on friday makes you an alcoholic. This term is thrown…

Weed cost me 5 years of my life that I'm never getting back. It's great if some people can form better habits than me but all the weed users I know (plenty) use it every day all day. The biggest detriment is opportunity cost, time you'd spend doing something exciting or productive is spent on watching your Netflix queue instead. Some people claim to get a lot of creative work done while stoned but those people probab…

> Some people claim to get a lot of creative work done while stoned but those people probably haven't tried doing it sober for too long.

After smoking every single day for about 5 years I decided to test this hypothesis about a year ago (I had my first kid on the way and didn’t want to be one of those parents that smoked weed.) I also surmised that maybe I really needed to get it all out of my system - by not smoking for months - to know how much an improvement it would be to stop smoking. In the past 11 months I’ve smoked exactly twice (both times around Christmas.)

I can’t honestly say stopping smoking has increased my productivity much. I’m so mentally exhausted from work at the end of each day that the idea of doing anything involving my brain is stressful. Weed helped with that, now I seem to lay on the couch and watch YouTube more. Before I at least used to sit and contemplate work-related stuff a lot more since I was able to relax.

Back when I was getting high every day I used to use voice memos a lot on my phone to record the random “brilliant ideas” I’d have each evening. The next morning I’d listen through them, and they actually led to some of my best answers to technical problems. Stuff I was stuck on at work, I’d be able to find solutions to while high. (Implementing them was another story, I had to wait for the next day for that.)

I’m still not going to go back to smoking weed because of the new kiddo, but I honestly think weed was a net positive for my life.

Re: Cancer risks increase with alcohol use, leading to over 740k cases last year

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It is frustrating that they lump in any amount of alcohol up to 2 drinks per day as moderate which honestly isn't all that moderate. Still another way to read that is that while alcohol represents a real risk to community health resources you can mitigate 86% of the risk by limiting yourself to ONLY 68 gallons (257 liters) of beer this year. I would not be terribly surprised if most of the issues with moderate drinke…

What is “drink” here? How many milliliters, what percentage of alcohol? 40%? 15%? 50ml or 200ml?

Re: Cancer risks increase with alcohol use, leading to over 740k cases last year

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65-70 is my age for this. No kids/grandkids for me so I don't see much value in old age. I have to live now and only have 15-20 good years left. Once that time comes it is time to party. Cigars, weed and rum. A broken down physical body with an even more broken down mind is a fate worse than death to me.

Dude that is a depressing attitude you have to life.

Realistic and pragmatic I'd say ...

Re: Cancer risks increase with alcohol use, leading to over 740k cases last year

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If you live that same life and drink a glass of grape juice instead of wine everyday, you'll live even longer. Alcohol is a poisson and there is no "safe" level. Now, it's a personal decision how much risk is acceptable to you, but don't lie to yourself how "one glass a day is not going to make a difference".

It's not only a poison though, it also has medicinal properties. Helps with relaxation, anxiety and even acts as a short term antidepressant. With that in mind, there is a safe level, just as there is with paracetamol. Of course, having better medication is, well, better. But not everyone has access to it. That said I have been struggling with it ever since I can remember and I wish I never tried it. It's very hard t…

In fact, alcohol can extend life in low doses.

There’s a chart we were shown in Med school with DALYs of different drugs and while alcohol had a big negative side it also had a positive side which was the only one

Re: Cancer risks increase with alcohol use, leading to over 740k cases last year

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It is frustrating that they lump in any amount of alcohol up to 2 drinks per day as moderate which honestly isn't all that moderate. Still another way to read that is that while alcohol represents a real risk to community health resources you can mitigate 86% of the risk by limiting yourself to ONLY 68 gallons (257 liters) of beer this year. I would not be terribly surprised if most of the issues with moderate drinke…

This.

That are two crates of beer a month.

I drink 1-2 times a month and 4-5 beer a night is as much as it gets.

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