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Re: Carlos Ghosn: How I escaped Japan

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Post by oblio » Fri, Jul 16, 2021, 7:34 AM UTC

killingtime74 wrote: post #202

sunstone wrote: post #144

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The thing I can't believe is that Japan's trading partners like USA, Canada, UK, Europe etc. haven't said boo about this outrageous miscarriage of justice in which the Japanese government has been complicit. As for as I know not one government has spoken out publicly.

Carlos Ghosn is a small potato. His only connection to those countries you listed is France. Does he have connections with French politicians? Probably not.

He was the CEO and creator of Renault-Nissan. For sure he's politically connected in France.

Re: Carlos Ghosn: How I escaped Japan

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Post by user-the-name » Fri, Jul 16, 2021, 10:36 AM UTC

NoImmatureAdHom wrote: post #226

user-the-name wrote: post #215

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Actually look for the real factors beyond "ethnicity".

My honest read here, and I really wish to emphasize that this is honest feedback and not an attempt to put you down, is that you don't have a solid grasp of causation vs. correlation. I appreciate you engaging. It's fun and important to talk about stuff like this.

My point is literally that you need to think harder about causation vs. correlation here.

Criminality might correlate with ethnicity. Assuming this means causality is the thing that is racist.

Re: Carlos Ghosn: How I escaped Japan

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Post by Phrodo_00 » Fri, Jul 16, 2021, 9:46 PM UTC

noaccnt wrote: post #94

Phrodo_00 wrote: post #50

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How is this relevant to anything

The implication of pointing out the US' high incarceration rate is that the US justice system and society are particularly malevolent. This point was used to defend Japan's justice system as being far more benign than the US. However, Japan's justice system may in fact be far more unforgiving that the US' if Americans are, in general, more likely to commit crime. Which is perfectly fair point to make (although inconc…

Yeah, but the parent comment is talking about Japanese Americans, not Japanese in America. The experience of Japanese Americans is not related to Japanese people (especially if raised in Japan).

Re: Carlos Ghosn: How I escaped Japan

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Post by bzbarsky » Sat, Jul 17, 2021, 12:31 AM UTC

bogomipz wrote: post #185

bzbarsky wrote: post #154

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I would love a citation on where you are getting "above 99%" for the US. What I managed to find easily just now in https://www.justice.gov/usao/reading_room/reports/asr2012/12... page 9 has: "Of the 87,709 defendants terminated during Fiscal Year 2012, 80,963, or 93 percent, either pled guilty or were found guilty." So quite high, but not anything like over 99%. This is federal cases, though, so maybe state cases hav…

There's a citation linked in my GP comment above.

Thank you; I had missed that. As the sibling comment from shkkmo points out, not all prosecuted cases that result in a "not guilty" involve acquittal at trial. But I will grant that it's hard to talk about numbers here without very carefully defining what exactly we will be counting...