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Re: Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media ethics questions

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Post by inlikealamb »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #3

I actually think getting deep fake stuff to the public is the way to go. Basically anyone can create a deep fake. It is far better to get the public used to the idea of deep fakes so they can develop some immunity to it.

We've had Photoshop for 3 decades and airbrushing for even longer and it's had far-reaching impacts across society... no one is really immune to it because it isn't obvious and it has arguably poisoned realistic ideals around body image.

IMO we need to mandate disclosures around deepfakes. It's impossible on a peer-to-peer level, but commercially it should be clearly disclosed.

Re: Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media ethics questions

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Post by rbalicki »

pankajdoharey wrote: post #13
yohannparis wrote: post #2

As a viewer of the documentary, I will love that effect instead of a bland voice-over. But a note should be added on the screen that the voice is AI-generated. Like when they say a war video is a reenactment.

It would be interesting to see if recreating songs is possible, if so i would like to hear the voice of Jim morrison and Curt Cobain.

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/nirvana-ku... I don't remember if these songs had lyrics, but there are AI generated songs in the style of Cobain and Jim Morrison

Re: Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media ethics questions

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Post by rbalicki »

rbalicki wrote: post #22
pankajdoharey wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would be interesting to see if recreating songs is possible, if so i would like to hear the voice of Jim morrison and Curt Cobain.

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/nirvana-ku... I don't remember if these songs had lyrics, but there are AI generated songs in the style of Cobain and Jim Morrison

Youtube link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1-B3M_KaRQ

It does contain lyrics, but the singing is not AI generated.

Re: Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media ethics questions

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Post by caseyohara »

pankajdoharey wrote: post #13
yohannparis wrote: post #2

As a viewer of the documentary, I will love that effect instead of a bland voice-over. But a note should be added on the screen that the voice is AI-generated. Like when they say a war video is a reenactment.

It would be interesting to see if recreating songs is possible, if so i would like to hear the voice of Jim morrison and Curt Cobain.

AI-generated Nirvana song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GogY7RQFFus

Re: Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media ethics questions

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Post by holler »

ceocoder wrote: post #20
hellbannedguy wrote: post #12

Out of all the celebrities, Bourdain would have viscerally despised this. He hated fake phoney people, or food. He hated when his production crew would stovepipe his bits. He hated a scene in Greese (I believe) where crew went out and bought squid, and threw them into the water to made the shoot better. I really liked Bourdain. He was one of the few celebrities that didn't seem to change with fame, or money. I watche…

Just quick context on the squid bit: it wasn’t Tony’s crew (zero point zero productions), it was the combination of local fixers/boat folks who wanted to make it look like they caught fish.

Funny enough, him describing the ploy while sort of mocking it as it happened led to an enjoyable moment in that episode (imo). It showcased his humility, and ability to make the most out of a situation while not taking himself too seriously.

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Post by nsxwolf »

nemo44x wrote: post #19
duxup wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure that when you go down that rabbit hole folks will believe much at all... I don't want to go down the rabbit hole here but everyone hears about 'fake news', they know what it is, they just label things they don't like 'fake news'. I'm not sure that's helping. Either way we are going to find out.

It will get really fun when one side has the "experts" on their side and can have them vouch for the authenticity of something.

We are there already with "fact checks". When someone sees a "fact check" pop up on something they post on Facebook, they just say "See? I knew I was right"

Re: Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media ethics questions

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Post by ghaff »

jamestimmins wrote: post #5
yohannparis wrote: post #2

As a viewer of the documentary, I will love that effect instead of a bland voice-over. But a note should be added on the screen that the voice is AI-generated. Like when they say a war video is a reenactment.

Agreed, this whole issue could be solved with a message before the film runs about how the voiceover is created, and then a "recreation" label during that scene.

Disclaimers help. And it's not like they were making up words. But I still feel it was probably a poor creative choice.

Re: Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media ethics questions

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Post by genewitch »

pankajdoharey wrote: post #13
yohannparis wrote: post #2

As a viewer of the documentary, I will love that effect instead of a bland voice-over. But a note should be added on the screen that the voice is AI-generated. Like when they say a war video is a reenactment.

It would be interesting to see if recreating songs is possible, if so i would like to hear the voice of Jim morrison and Curt Cobain.

I have a machine with two GPUs and a frozen OS with a tensorflow python app that clones voices, and I'd say the quality passes if you run it through a phone bandpass filter.

I've had an idea to use propellerhead recycle to chop the output cloned voice into syllables, and then "play" the chopped parts in rhythm, through autotune.

The issue is you get Eifel 65 sounding autotune if your base vocals are monotonic or way off key. The only way I can think of fixing this is to use something like audacity's pitch changer that doesn't affect the speed of the sample - rough the lyrical tones in with audacity/recycle, then autotune it where it needs to go.

I'd like to say I'm too busy to get this workflow going, but mostly I'm lazy and someone else will do it first - and better - I can't improve the AI cloning software.

Re: Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media ethics questions

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Post by thebean11 »

nemo44x wrote: post #18
mywittyname wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The major difference I see is that the viewer is aware that they are watching an actor. Or at least, they should be aware. It has always been standard practice to note when something being shown is a reenactment of an event, and not the actual one. Even if they used a voice actor to mimic Bourdain, they should have informed the audience that an actor was reading the script.

> It has always been standard practice to note when something being shown is a reenactment of an event, and not the actual one. Aren't the lines being read by robo-Bourdain actual things he write and/or said? I feel like there's a difference there even if it is a bit weird to not credit robo-Bourdain in those instances.

Voice has a lot more information than text. With a deepfake, all the information (despite his general sound and rhythm) is completely made up.
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