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Re: Google Drive bans distribution of “misleading content”

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Surprised nobody has mentioned ProtonDrive[0] as a near future candidate for eliminating these types of incidents. Since the data is encrypted, ProtonDrive can't make arbitrary value judgements on your data. For me personally I can't wait for it to arrive so I can wean myself off Google properly. It's the one final thing that I need to replace Google with: Proper Encrypted Cloud Storage.

[0] https://protonmail.com/blog/protondrive-security/

Re: Google Drive bans distribution of “misleading content”

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Interesting... so I wrote a wrote an article on gun violence https://austingwalters.com/firearms-by-the-numbers/ Guess it contradicts the official position of the current administration (not reality). So will my drive content be removed? Similarly, I have been monitoring the CDC change the covid19 deaths rate over time. https://austingwalters.com/changes-in-the-cdc-counts-of-deat... It appears the CDC had been inaccu…

> Guess it contradicts the official position of the current administration (not reality). So will my drive content be removed? Below is the actual policy. What term do you think your blog post violates? > Do not distribute content that deceives, misleads, or confuses users. This includes: > Misleading content related to civic and democratic processes: Content that is demonstrably false and could significantly undermi…

According to the current administration gun violence is a public health crisis:

https://efsgv.org/learn/learn-more-about-gun-violence/public...

I present arguments that could be considered "misleading" based on the administrations official position. Personally, I'd like to actually fix the issues, to do so, we need to discuss the issues. With that, I wrote something we can use as a framework to discuss the issues.

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I simply deep dive into the data and found interesting results that differ (this is just a random selection):

(1) There doesn't appear to be a correlation between firearm access and homicides (if anything it's slightly reverse) https://austingwalters.com/firearms-by-the-numbers/#Firearms...

(2) White, Hispanic, Asian populations have one of the lowest firearm homicide rates in the world. In contrast, the black population has one of the highest firearm homicide rates are very high, which pushes the U.S. average up. (which arguably could support the systemic racism theory, but is a fact) https://austingwalters.com/firearms-by-the-numbers/#Comparin...

(3) The CDC & FBI crime statistics show that (4) Self-defense homicides are included in the data

(5) Gangs don't appear to be the reason for a high firearm homicide rate https://austingwalters.com/firearms-by-the-numbers/#Gang_Dem...

(6) Homicides per firearm are very low https://austingwalters.com/firearms-by-the-numbers/#Homicide...

(7) You're more likely to be beat to death or stabbed than shot (arguably guns would save you from this) https://austingwalters.com/firearms-by-the-numbers/#_Circums...

Re: Google Drive bans distribution of “misleading content”

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The other truth is we're all outraged when these companies host some stuff that we don't like ... and get upset when they don't host the stuff we do like. Consumers aren't rational. Neither are their demands. I'm probably no more rational than anyone else, but I'm honest that I sure as hell don't want to give money to a service that is happy to host some violent folks content / garbage...

Do you support the right of others to host content you consider violent or garbage?

Generally yes, but that depends on what we're talking about exactly.

Specifically I noted my willingness to use their services / indirectly support that company if I have the choice.

Re: Google Drive bans distribution of “misleading content”

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The road to hell is paved with "good intentions". We desperately need to find a globally adoptable alternative to google and the services that it provides. Docs, Sheets, Drive, etc. are fantastic services in that they work really well on a massive scale. However, Google's increasing role as an arbiter of right vs wrong and a steward of information puts too much power into the hands of one corporation, whose best inte…

We developed an alternative to google and the services that it provides. It's part of a growing open source ecosystem that includes NextCloud for file management.

If you want a totally free and open source alternative to Facebook and Google, that you can run on your own servers, you can find it here:

https://github.com/Qbix/Platform

Re: Google Drive bans distribution of “misleading content”

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The road to hell is paved with "good intentions". We desperately need to find a globally adoptable alternative to google and the services that it provides. Docs, Sheets, Drive, etc. are fantastic services in that they work really well on a massive scale. However, Google's increasing role as an arbiter of right vs wrong and a steward of information puts too much power into the hands of one corporation, whose best inte…

> We should be able to implement services like these, that are free of ads, on globally distributed infrastructure, with no central authority, to have truly free-flowing information.

Yes! And the way we do it is simple: amend the US Constitution to abolish copyright and patents and ensure people have the right to intellectual freedom.

https://reddit.com/r/ifa

Re: Google Drive bans distribution of “misleading content”

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We don’t think lies about the vaccine or who won the election are noble causes worth making sacrifices for.

This ain't it, chief. We shouldn't be trusting (and giving power to) central governing bodies to dictate what counts as a "lie," and scrubbing away inconvenient information. "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" - Voltaire

Full agreement. "Slippery Slope" may be a fallacy, but establishing a precedent is a real thing and there's no way this stops here.

Re: Google Drive bans distribution of “misleading content”

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I think your fundamental error is in the fact that you think that a private company (and market competition) can fix these issues. It seems that many people on HN are just waiting for the new Savior company, that will magically have incentives to fight for them instead of making money. It's like hoping for market competition create health regulation in the food industry. Turns out, not even Apple is that messiah, and…

Government regulation is no substitute for competition. The ability for consumers to walk away to a suitable alternative maintains a continual accountability that a single agency is unlikely to deliver.

I’ve walked away from Facebook, but I’m still negatively impacted by their algorithm which promotes anger, division, and conspiracy theories.

Re: Google Drive bans distribution of “misleading content”

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The road to hell is paved with "good intentions". We desperately need to find a globally adoptable alternative to google and the services that it provides. Docs, Sheets, Drive, etc. are fantastic services in that they work really well on a massive scale. However, Google's increasing role as an arbiter of right vs wrong and a steward of information puts too much power into the hands of one corporation, whose best inte…

All these services are easy to replace. What isn't yet available elsewhere is the content discovery possibilities provided by Youtube, especially what would be considered "pirated" content on other sites without deep ties to the government (e.g. full CDs, movies that get uploaded and stay on yt for a long time, to be downloaded by millions).

Point is Google can offer services like Docs for free and still invest money in continually improving them because it sells advertisement-space on its free products.

Sure you could build your own. But how would you finance the maintenance of your software and its free-for-customers delivery platform? Answer: By either selling advertisement, or by charging people for using it.

The problem really is that by now Google has monopoly. Therefore it is difficult or impossible for you to compete with them.

Re: Google Drive bans distribution of “misleading content”

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The road to hell is paved with "good intentions". We desperately need to find a globally adoptable alternative to google and the services that it provides. Docs, Sheets, Drive, etc. are fantastic services in that they work really well on a massive scale. However, Google's increasing role as an arbiter of right vs wrong and a steward of information puts too much power into the hands of one corporation, whose best inte…

I think there's a vacuum here in that society wants someone to intervene when Bad Things Happen, but we either can't agree who that should be or (more likely IMO) the right choice of person/organization just doesn't exist. So you end up with some people/organizations/governments stepping up to increase their power and/or protect their own interests. I think this is why Zuckerberg and some other big players have calle…

It's also easier for FB/etc to push for laws to be written when they can pour millions into a PAC to get their ideal language into those bills, if not straight up write sections themselves. They can lobby for fines that are lower than profit from acting in bad faith or anti-competitively (who even knows how much money FB saved by buying out Instagram/etc), they can run their own disinformation or targeted campaigns to sway public opinion, or simply minimize anything on their platform to hide it from users. There's a massive power imbalance there between a regular voter and Zuckerberg/etc, even an imbalance between a regular voters who can or cannot vote early or by mail.

I support regulating these groups but that must be done within the right assigned via the constitution, existing precedent where available, and in depth knowledge of how these companies operate and how the tech influences consumers. It's complicated.

Re: Google Drive bans distribution of “misleading content”

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Google is not exactly fairy godmother.

They're very commercial entity with the management having very political biases.

Anyone can walk away from Google at any time. No one is forcing the one to use any of Google services.

Every time i use google i assume there are thousands eyes going through my docs. I accept this as a tradeoff for quality serivces.

If i don't accept - i walking away.

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