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Google parts with Cloud VP over his manifesto renouncing his antisemitism

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Re: Google parts with Cloud VP over his manifesto renouncing his antisemitism

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

brodouevencode wrote: post #58
asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cynical? It seems like a measured and realistic approach to me. There's no upside in getting riled up when there's every reason to believe you are missing important context.

Assuming there's more to the story than what's at face value is really the part I was referring to.

The question is, what really is at face value? "Employees [...] said the frustration with Awadallah’s leadership style had been building for months", and the article doesn't contain any direct claim that Google parted ways with him because of the manifesto. You could draw inferences from the timeline, and the article does seem to be written to encourage you to, but those are exactly the kind of inferences that are unreliable when you don't have all the facts.

Re: Google parts with Cloud VP over his manifesto renouncing his antisemitism

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Post by csours »

arkitaip wrote: post #59
hn8788 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think him claiming he's keeps getting misunderstood is necessarily an indictment of him. Sometimes the misunderstanding comes from readers having a particular mindset, so they see everything through the lense of their preconceptions, which might not match up with what the author was thinking.

He is an VP, great communication skills is key to his success, that also includes understanding his audience. Like in, maybe I can write about diversity and inclusion without referencing my horrible antisemitism because holy shit that would be bonkers to bring up in a corporate context.

Agreed. I would think that as a VP he would understand this and have access to resources that would help him with phrasing etc. However, since that particular horse has left the barn.

Re: Google parts with Cloud VP over his manifesto renouncing his antisemitism

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Post by Illniyar »

I read the majority of the linkedin post.

While it starts off benign enough with renouncing antisemetism and wierdly anti-zionism it soon goes into a tirade.

After the first few parts it's mostly about the Israel-Palastinian conflict (mostly denouncing Israel's actions), with a lot of denouncing Trump a long the way.

For a company trying for the last few months to get rid of politics in the office, I can definitely see how this would be a firing offense from a top executive.

Re: Google parts with Cloud VP over his manifesto renouncing his antisemitism

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Post by makeitdouble »

mfer wrote: post #13

If we look at things in terms of positive and negative reinforcement this has some interesting consequences. So, he admitted to antisemitism in the past and shared how he has grown or is growing past it. This kind of admission by him has the ability to challenge other and positively reinforce others who are in a similar situation to him. That _positive_ reinforcement for change away from antisemitism. He was pushed o…

> When employees expressed their discomfort at the all-hands meeting Wednesday, the executive doubled down on his manifesto and insisted employees misunderstood, they said.

It doesn’t look at he’s really open to feedback, doesn’t seem much sensible about how people react to his opinions in general.

Other people might take the wrong message from his demotion, but then it also means they didn’t really care looking into the details, so wouldn’t they have been mistaken in other ways if he stayed in position and continued spitting weird manifestos ?

Re: Google parts with Cloud VP over his manifesto renouncing his antisemitism

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Post by atatatat »

TimeFlies66 wrote: post #49
GVIrish wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I would be careful about drawing conclusions and assigning blame in this situation because it's hard to know all the factors leading to his dismissal. At the least, it sounds like there were problems with his leadership for months before this: > Employees who asked to remain anonymous for fear of retaliation, said the frustration with Awadallah’s leadership style had been building for months, leading up to this…

There was a fired CEO recently that hackernews was up in arms over because he came out and said that he was fired for microdosing. A couple of days later it came out that he was talking to the press for months without an okay from the board. The first story is never the real story.

There are always many stories in big stories.

Re: Google parts with Cloud VP over his manifesto renouncing his antisemitism

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Post by philipswood »

brodouevencode wrote: post #11
JohnHaugeland wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Read what he said and then say this again with a straight face

Here's the link to the LinkedIn post in question: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/we-one-amr-awadallah/ What about it concerns you?

There a bit in there to offend anyone and everyone.

While making every effort to balance every point of his stance he adds extremes that's likely to offend someone on either side of his position.

He does this for sex, politics and religion.

All in all it comes across as quite tone deaf.

I don't want people not to have authentic unwashed opinions or not to have the right to air them, but posting this publicly seems a bit Ill advised for someone whose job description requires a high degree of political awareness and imagine it's a bit of a PR nightmare.

Re: Google parts with Cloud VP over his manifesto renouncing his antisemitism

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Post by youareelitist »

JohnHaugeland wrote: post #7
josh_today wrote: post #3

This is the type of change we need to celebrate in people not further scrutinize! As a Jew I would love to create dialogue with a person who realized the past hate was unjust, to hear why the hate existed and more importantly to understand what opened their eyes. It is that process that will help eliminate hate across the board. Today as a society we approach discrimination through censorship and cancel culture which…

Read what he said and then say this again with a straight face

oooh a trigger happy fascist!

Re: Google parts with Cloud VP over his manifesto renouncing his antisemitism

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Post by youareelitist »

arkitaip wrote: post #55
xrd wrote: post #5

As awkward is his note was, this is a public admission that he had bigoted views and grew and is still trying to grow out of them. I wish I was a fly on the wall at Google to understand why that's not acceptable. Growing and learning is necessary and the only hope.

Here's what I think happened: The Powers That Be took a short look at this drama and decided that no, this is not the hill to die on. They never are. Being perceived as tolerating antisemitism because VP Weirdo keeps getting "misunderstood" over a "manifesto"? That's not even a hill anymore, it's a grave someone dug for themselves.

I suppose it's best to die of the hill that is a soulless corporation instead?

Re: Google parts with Cloud VP over his manifesto renouncing his antisemitism

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Post by skinkestek »

JohnHaugeland wrote: post #7
josh_today wrote: post #3

This is the type of change we need to celebrate in people not further scrutinize! As a Jew I would love to create dialogue with a person who realized the past hate was unjust, to hear why the hate existed and more importantly to understand what opened their eyes. It is that process that will help eliminate hate across the board. Today as a society we approach discrimination through censorship and cancel culture which…

Read what he said and then say this again with a straight face

As someone who has said and thought a lot of cringeworthy stuff it is easy to read it and understand him.

Furthermore I guess, but this is just a guess, that most of those who aren't aware of a lot of really cringeworthy stuff in their past haven't really "seen themselves" yet.

Re: Google parts with Cloud VP over his manifesto renouncing his antisemitism

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Post by [deleted] »

mattzito wrote: post #56
mfer wrote: post #13

If we look at things in terms of positive and negative reinforcement this has some interesting consequences. So, he admitted to antisemitism in the past and shared how he has grown or is growing past it. This kind of admission by him has the ability to challenge other and positively reinforce others who are in a similar situation to him. That _positive_ reinforcement for change away from antisemitism. He was pushed o…

So, I'll start off by saying - I work at google, in cloud, but not for this person, I don't know anything about him, and this is my own opinion. I think if someone had asked him at an all hands for his position on the israel palestine conflict, and he said something like: "I grew up in a strict Egyptian Muslim household, indoctrinated to hate Israel and Jews, and it wasn't until I was exposed to jewish people and bec…

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