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Germany fines YouTube for removing video of anti-lockdown protest

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Re: Germany fines YouTube for removing video of anti-lockdown protest

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Youtube Alternatives : Centralized : Dailymotion, Bitchute, Rumble, DTube, Vimeo, Vidlii Decentralized : Odysee(LBRY), Peertube

All the alternatives are far-far-right as far as "trusted sources" are concerned. What is anyone supposed to do if even LBRY is considered a tool of radical right wing extremists? If you cant get your family and friends on it then its near worthless.

If they're that prejudiced against tools based on political reputation, then they weren't that interested in using the tool in the first place.

Re: Germany fines YouTube for removing video of anti-lockdown protest

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The notion that "I can do what I want" as long as it takes place in the private sphere is absurd. So what's your take on Lawrence v. Texas?

Sodomy should be illegal. But what does that have to do with Google censoring dissent in foreign countries?

Well that escalated quickly...

Re: Germany fines YouTube for removing video of anti-lockdown protest

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It's not theirs to take. And anyhow, the GDR dissolved over 30 years ago, I should think their economic policies died with them.

Is it theirs to force them to host content Google wishes to delete?

I don't think it's unreasonable for companies with publicly available communication platforms be required to abide by laws in the countries they make those platforms available in. If youtube decided that they would host videos in germany on an invite only basis, it would be different.

Re: Germany fines YouTube for removing video of anti-lockdown protest

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A good move. Everything so big as YouTube should follow national laws. Otherwise private terms of policies become more part of society than national ones. Then the hundreds of years of fighting becomes nothing and we are back in a modern kingdom based society.

What does "national law" mean for a global platform though? Does Youtube only have to restore the video in Germany and still block it everywhere else?

I don't even understand why Youtube should be forced by a country to host someone's content. I can understand the opposite (being forced by the government to take down content in their jurisdiction, that has been done before), but forcing a site to keep a video feels really strange to me.

Re: Germany fines YouTube for removing video of anti-lockdown protest

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A good move. Everything so big as YouTube should follow national laws. Otherwise private terms of policies become more part of society than national ones. Then the hundreds of years of fighting becomes nothing and we are back in a modern kingdom based society.

What does "national law" mean for a global platform though? Does Youtube only have to restore the video in Germany and still block it everywhere else? I don't even understand why Youtube should be forced by a country to host someone's content. I can understand the opposite (being forced by the government to take down content in their jurisdiction, that has been done before), but forcing a site to keep a video feels r…

The idiot bunch and self-righteous a*holes of the public wants more rules and regulations. And the politicians enjoy it and get to collect bribe. When they could have simply hosted on a different site.

Re: Germany fines YouTube for removing video of anti-lockdown protest

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> Platform shouldn't have the right to an opinion on content. Why? > Same way that when you open a store you can't pick and choose your customers. Of course you can, you just can't refuse service based on legally protected classes, that's the exception not the rule. > Platforms should just obey law and at most create a process where users and lawmakers can express and enforce their opinion on content. Platforms shoul…

>> Platform shouldn't have the right to an opinion on content. > Why? Because if it has that right it should have the full responsibility for everything it publishes. With no leeway. >> Same way that when you open a store you can't pick and choose your customers. > Of course you can, you just can't refuse service based on legally protected classes, that's the exception not the rule. Depends on the local law. For exam…

> Because if it has that right it should have the full responsibility for everything it publishes. With no leeway

I don't understand your reasoning. When you say "full responsibility" I assume you mean legal responsibility, as in, a website that removes posts by users should take full legal responsibility if users post illegal content, but I don't see the connection between the two ideas, the illegal content was still posted by a user, what about removing posts makes the website now legally responsible for the actions of users. This would also make the site legally impossible to operate, it sounds like you're suggesting any site that removes user content should be pushed into shutting down. Am I misunderstanding?

Re: Germany fines YouTube for removing video of anti-lockdown protest

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A country isn’t really like your house though, is it? Germany could probably tell Google not to host any videos from the opposition political party under penalty of fine or expulsion. Hopefully we agree that that would be bad?

But Germany can't do that because it would be against Germany's constitution.

It's a hypothetical. A Constitution can be amended or ignored, can't it? My point is that a country is not your house. And citizens are not visitors. It's the wrong analogy and leads to bad conclusions.

Re: Germany fines YouTube for removing video of anti-lockdown protest

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A good move. Everything so big as YouTube should follow national laws. Otherwise private terms of policies become more part of society than national ones. Then the hundreds of years of fighting becomes nothing and we are back in a modern kingdom based society.

What does "national law" mean for a global platform though? Does Youtube only have to restore the video in Germany and still block it everywhere else? I don't even understand why Youtube should be forced by a country to host someone's content. I can understand the opposite (being forced by the government to take down content in their jurisdiction, that has been done before), but forcing a site to keep a video feels r…

> I don't even understand why Youtube should be forced by a country to host someone's content.

It doesn't appear to be settled even in U.S. law whether requiring a company to host something would be governmental overreach. The traditional "common carrier" doctrine is pretty broad. It's not an exact analogy for the kind of regulation some people would like governments to undertake regarding YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, etc., but it's not totally unrelated either.

Eugene Volokh from UCLA's law school recently posted a 79-page draft article on the legalities of regulating social media companies as common carriers under U.S. federal law: https://www2.law.ucla.edu/volokh/carrier.pdf. One large section, II.A., "The General Constitutionality of Compelled Hosting" (pp. 35-58), argues that compelled hosting isn't in general prohibited by the U.S. federal constitution, so in his view the U.S. Congress could pass a common-carrier-style law mandating such companies host content on a neutral basis, if they wanted to (at least if the law avoids various issues he identifies).

Re: Germany fines YouTube for removing video of anti-lockdown protest

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This is as it should be IMO. When you position yourself to be a de-facto public square, you shouldn't get to selectively operate like a private club when it suits you.

Hmm, when did they do this? I actually think Germany has it backwards here. If the German government wants to provide a free-speech "safe zone", they should provide it themselves. You're encouraging government coercion of action.

I am surprised you are downvoted. Engineers are the worst kind of people to make rules, as they see things as simply black and white when things are much more nuanced. Best thing to do is "mind your own business". Unfortunately they feel its their business lol
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