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One by One, My Friends Were Sent to the Camps

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Re: One by One, My Friends Were Sent to the Camps

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Post by pc86 »

hnedeotes wrote: post #20
nomoreplease wrote: post #6

After visiting Auschwitz, I expected (or maybe hoped) that the world would never let it happen again. “How could they do this?”, People asked. “That would never happen today” people murmured. Yet, here we are. Reading the 15th article about it, while the White House deletes tweets that likely anger the CCP They should be removed from most favored nation status. Governments could do a lot more but don’t

Unbound technological surveillance in the hands of a few, and police state on the basis of false flags are the stepping stones to RealFreedom™

What false flags are you referring to?

Re: One by One, My Friends Were Sent to the Camps

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Post by sidibe »

celticninja wrote: post #7
eplanit wrote: post #5

I'm glad he made it to the US. Of course because it's The Atlantic, they were obligated to implicate the US as a co-conspirator: "Islamophobic discourses that gathered strength in the U.S. have been central to China’s efforts to justify its Xinjiang policies". Yeah, of course it's all really our fault, of course. Keep in mind, The Atlantic is a lifestyle magazine.

I fail to understand why it is the west that speaks up for these Muslims, whilst the Islamic countries remain quiet. Where is the outrage from Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, Iran? Why are the US the ones accused of needing to do more? Shouldn't Islamic countries at least do something?

> Shouldn't Islamic countries at least do something?

Realistically they are much better off being China's friend which in China's view means not criticizing China for anything.

Pakistani PM said it best last month about Xinjiang:

"Because of our extreme proximity and relationship with China, we actually accept the Chinese version."

It's pretty sad, but you can't really blame him either, they can't really afford to lose all the deals and propping up they get from China.

Re: One by One, My Friends Were Sent to the Camps

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Post by laurent92 »

kragen wrote: post #30

I hadn't realized that the absolute number in the Xinjiang camps --- "more than 1 million", according to the article --- is half the number of people in US prisons. It's 4% of the population of Xinjiang, compared to less than 1% of the population of the US, but of course it's 0.1% of the population of China as a whole, and there are US communities that are more heavily incarcerated. The whole situation is appalling,…

Have a culture which leave the least amount of power possible to the states, and prevents forming groups that are too large (be it monopolies of governments). But with US borrowing something like 1 trillion dollars per semester, it has good chances of overpowering everyone if it ever turns into an undesired form.

Re: One by One, My Friends Were Sent to the Camps

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Post by Miner49er »

benrbray wrote: post #14
nomoreplease wrote: post #6

After visiting Auschwitz, I expected (or maybe hoped) that the world would never let it happen again. “How could they do this?”, People asked. “That would never happen today” people murmured. Yet, here we are. Reading the 15th article about it, while the White House deletes tweets that likely anger the CCP They should be removed from most favored nation status. Governments could do a lot more but don’t

It's heart-breaking to see many of my Chinese friends / peers keep their heads in the sand about this. Usually they'll fall silent the topic arises. At most, they'll say something about cultural differences and social cohesion and that as an American I just couldn't possibly understand. If I press them on it they'll mention the Japanese internment camps in WWII, and I'll agree with them that it was awful and that my…

I think most Americans would have gave a similar response during WWII as well. It's only with time that opinion has shifted to it being something that we are shameful of.

Re: One by One, My Friends Were Sent to the Camps

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Post by kvathupo »

CountDrewku wrote: post #35
kvathupo wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Keep in mind, The Atlantic is a lifestyle magazine. Have you ever read The Atlantic? Quite a few of its writers have either been nominated for or outright won Pulitzers, with one winner this year [1]. Even beyond awards, it has published important reporting [2] and very influential commentary [3]. [1] - https://www.pulitzer.org/winners/ed-yong-atlantic [2] - https://pulitzercenter.org/publications/atlantic [3] - ht…

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Wrong prize...

Re: One by One, My Friends Were Sent to the Camps

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Post by mkmk »

CountDrewku wrote: post #35
kvathupo wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Keep in mind, The Atlantic is a lifestyle magazine. Have you ever read The Atlantic? Quite a few of its writers have either been nominated for or outright won Pulitzers, with one winner this year [1]. Even beyond awards, it has published important reporting [2] and very influential commentary [3]. [1] - https://www.pulitzer.org/winners/ed-yong-atlantic [2] - https://pulitzercenter.org/publications/atlantic [3] - ht…

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Are you perhaps confusing the Nobel Prize with the Pulitzer Prize?

Re: One by One, My Friends Were Sent to the Camps

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Post by germinalphrase »

elliekelly wrote: post #28

> The woman operating the computer explained what I was to do. When she gave me a signal, I needed to look straight at the camera, then turn my head slowly and steadily to the right. I was then to turn at the same speed back to face the camera. Then I had to turn my head fully to the left, and back again to face the camera. At the same slow, steady speed, I was then to tilt my head back and look up, then to look stra…

Could it be as simple as the system has trouble identifying male vs female faces, so this is workaround to make that explicit?

Re: One by One, My Friends Were Sent to the Camps

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Post by pc86 »

lupire wrote: post #29
celticninja wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I fail to understand why it is the west that speaks up for these Muslims, whilst the Islamic countries remain quiet. Where is the outrage from Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, Iran? Why are the US the ones accused of needing to do more? Shouldn't Islamic countries at least do something?

"Islamic" countries are dictatorships like China.

Theocracy and dictatorship go hand in hand by definition, that doesn't make the country any less Islamic so no need for the quotes as if it's meant ironically or superficially.

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Post by tomjen3 »

Chris2048 wrote: post #13
nomoreplease wrote: post #6

After visiting Auschwitz, I expected (or maybe hoped) that the world would never let it happen again. “How could they do this?”, People asked. “That would never happen today” people murmured. Yet, here we are. Reading the 15th article about it, while the White House deletes tweets that likely anger the CCP They should be removed from most favored nation status. Governments could do a lot more but don’t

Who's "they", or "the world"? Do we have a world government already? You either interfere (on a global scale) in the sovereignty of other nations, or you don't. Hitler was only stopped after a very costly war. How would any alliance have the disproportionate resources to police the globe, while allowing free trade and the distributed opportunity that allows any nations to get rich enough to challenge them? You talk o…

You don't have to go to war over this. If the west put the same sanctions on Chinas as it did on Iran China would be forced to step down.

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Post by eurasiantiger »

kragen wrote: post #30

I hadn't realized that the absolute number in the Xinjiang camps --- "more than 1 million", according to the article --- is half the number of people in US prisons. It's 4% of the population of Xinjiang, compared to less than 1% of the population of the US, but of course it's 0.1% of the population of China as a whole, and there are US communities that are more heavily incarcerated. The whole situation is appalling,…

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