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One by One, My Friends Were Sent to the Camps

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Re: One by One, My Friends Were Sent to the Camps

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Post by pastage »

eplanit wrote: post #5

I'm glad he made it to the US. Of course because it's The Atlantic, they were obligated to implicate the US as a co-conspirator: "Islamophobic discourses that gathered strength in the U.S. have been central to China’s efforts to justify its Xinjiang policies". Yeah, of course it's all really our fault, of course. Keep in mind, The Atlantic is a lifestyle magazine.

If you do nothing it is your fault. That is what these camps have thought us you really need to critize them harshly and take action. That said the legal power nations have to put people in camp during war time is anachronistic. So there is alot we can do to make it better.

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Post by toberoni »

celticninja wrote: post #7
eplanit wrote: post #5

I'm glad he made it to the US. Of course because it's The Atlantic, they were obligated to implicate the US as a co-conspirator: "Islamophobic discourses that gathered strength in the U.S. have been central to China’s efforts to justify its Xinjiang policies". Yeah, of course it's all really our fault, of course. Keep in mind, The Atlantic is a lifestyle magazine.

I fail to understand why it is the west that speaks up for these Muslims, whilst the Islamic countries remain quiet. Where is the outrage from Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, Iran? Why are the US the ones accused of needing to do more? Shouldn't Islamic countries at least do something?

The victims are humans first (their religion shouldn't be a concern) so I don't find it surprising that many Western people speak up for them.

I would be happy to see more opposition from Islamic countries though.

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Post by Chris2048 »

nomoreplease wrote: post #6

After visiting Auschwitz, I expected (or maybe hoped) that the world would never let it happen again. “How could they do this?”, People asked. “That would never happen today” people murmured. Yet, here we are. Reading the 15th article about it, while the White House deletes tweets that likely anger the CCP They should be removed from most favored nation status. Governments could do a lot more but don’t

Who's "they", or "the world"? Do we have a world government already?

You either interfere (on a global scale) in the sovereignty of other nations, or you don't. Hitler was only stopped after a very costly war.

How would any alliance have the disproportionate resources to police the globe, while allowing free trade and the distributed opportunity that allows any nations to get rich enough to challenge them?

You talk of a unified humanity that doesn't exist. China is a superpower - the only solution to policing their actions would be ensuring no other superpowers can rise: neo-colonialism.

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Post by benrbray »

nomoreplease wrote: post #6

After visiting Auschwitz, I expected (or maybe hoped) that the world would never let it happen again. “How could they do this?”, People asked. “That would never happen today” people murmured. Yet, here we are. Reading the 15th article about it, while the White House deletes tweets that likely anger the CCP They should be removed from most favored nation status. Governments could do a lot more but don’t

It's heart-breaking to see many of my Chinese friends / peers keep their heads in the sand about this. Usually they'll fall silent the topic arises. At most, they'll say something about cultural differences and social cohesion and that as an American I just couldn't possibly understand. If I press them on it they'll mention the Japanese internment camps in WWII, and I'll agree with them that it was awful and that my country has done evil things that I am ashamed of. But I've never heard this shame reciprocated.

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Post by stanislavb »

celticninja wrote: post #7
eplanit wrote: post #5

I'm glad he made it to the US. Of course because it's The Atlantic, they were obligated to implicate the US as a co-conspirator: "Islamophobic discourses that gathered strength in the U.S. have been central to China’s efforts to justify its Xinjiang policies". Yeah, of course it's all really our fault, of course. Keep in mind, The Atlantic is a lifestyle magazine.

I fail to understand why it is the west that speaks up for these Muslims, whilst the Islamic countries remain quiet. Where is the outrage from Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, Iran? Why are the US the ones accused of needing to do more? Shouldn't Islamic countries at least do something?

I've wondered the same... given that they've been prosecuted due to their religion.

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Post by deregulateMed »

Chris2048 wrote: post #13
nomoreplease wrote: post #6

After visiting Auschwitz, I expected (or maybe hoped) that the world would never let it happen again. “How could they do this?”, People asked. “That would never happen today” people murmured. Yet, here we are. Reading the 15th article about it, while the White House deletes tweets that likely anger the CCP They should be removed from most favored nation status. Governments could do a lot more but don’t

Who's "they", or "the world"? Do we have a world government already? You either interfere (on a global scale) in the sovereignty of other nations, or you don't. Hitler was only stopped after a very costly war. How would any alliance have the disproportionate resources to police the globe, while allowing free trade and the distributed opportunity that allows any nations to get rich enough to challenge them? You talk o…

Tariffs over intellectual property wasn't enough or aimed at the correct problem.

How hard would it be to ban trade with China?

I know automotive tooling is inside china and impossible to get out, but if it costs 4 trillion dollars, it's still less expensive than coronavirus.

I say all of that, then get embarrassed at the evils my government committed over the years.

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Post by joelbluminator »

celticninja wrote: post #7
eplanit wrote: post #5

I'm glad he made it to the US. Of course because it's The Atlantic, they were obligated to implicate the US as a co-conspirator: "Islamophobic discourses that gathered strength in the U.S. have been central to China’s efforts to justify its Xinjiang policies". Yeah, of course it's all really our fault, of course. Keep in mind, The Atlantic is a lifestyle magazine.

I fail to understand why it is the west that speaks up for these Muslims, whilst the Islamic countries remain quiet. Where is the outrage from Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, Iran? Why are the US the ones accused of needing to do more? Shouldn't Islamic countries at least do something?

> Shouldn't Islamic countries at least do something?

I am gonna make some sweeping generalization (how could you not when speaking about 1.5 billion people) but here goes:

Not really, the Islamic world didn't care much about ISIS and the Syrian civil war, both of which killed and displaced millions of people. The only place where Muslims pay attention to regularly and express outrage is Palestine as far as I know. I mean yes some Arab newspaper may talk about Syria or ISIS now and then, even talk badly about it, but nothing that will make people go out to the streets like Israel/Palestine does. Muslims are much more sensitive to killings of Muslims by the West than by other empires (e.g Russia or China) since the West is perceived as a threat to their way of life and other empires aren't. Israel is part of the West in their eyes. I am quite confident that if it were Israel or the U.S running these camps we would've heard much more about it in the Muslim world.

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Post by yorwba »

celticninja wrote: post #7
eplanit wrote: post #5

I'm glad he made it to the US. Of course because it's The Atlantic, they were obligated to implicate the US as a co-conspirator: "Islamophobic discourses that gathered strength in the U.S. have been central to China’s efforts to justify its Xinjiang policies". Yeah, of course it's all really our fault, of course. Keep in mind, The Atlantic is a lifestyle magazine.

I fail to understand why it is the west that speaks up for these Muslims, whilst the Islamic countries remain quiet. Where is the outrage from Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, Iran? Why are the US the ones accused of needing to do more? Shouldn't Islamic countries at least do something?

All Muslim-majority countries also have large Muslim minorities and are worried about charismatic leaders using their religious authority to challenge the government (e.g. Indonesia: https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/indonesia-arr... ) so they tend to be in favor of allowing only state-sanctioned forms of Islam.

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Post by SamBam »

guscost wrote: post #10
eplanit wrote: post #5

I'm glad he made it to the US. Of course because it's The Atlantic, they were obligated to implicate the US as a co-conspirator: "Islamophobic discourses that gathered strength in the U.S. have been central to China’s efforts to justify its Xinjiang policies". Yeah, of course it's all really our fault, of course. Keep in mind, The Atlantic is a lifestyle magazine.

A magazine dangling this important humanitarian story behind a “soft” paywall to sell subscriptions, no less. Imagine the reaction if they had done this with their COVID collection.

If you think they published an important story just to sell more copies... well then you'd be right, of course. That's how every single publication in the country works, if they're not scraping by on ads.

But what a silly way to look at it. "The Times and Post are publishing this Watergate thing, and they expect me to pay for a paper??? They're only publishing it to sell more copies."

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Post by hnedeotes »

nomoreplease wrote: post #6

After visiting Auschwitz, I expected (or maybe hoped) that the world would never let it happen again. “How could they do this?”, People asked. “That would never happen today” people murmured. Yet, here we are. Reading the 15th article about it, while the White House deletes tweets that likely anger the CCP They should be removed from most favored nation status. Governments could do a lot more but don’t

Unbound technological surveillance in the hands of a few, and police state on the basis of false flags are the stepping stones to RealFreedom™
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