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Lebanon is an economic disaster area right now, so while this won't directly affect the fabulously wealthy Ghosn, he's ironically sort of imprisoned in a failing state.
He's Lebanese. It's one of his homes.
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>"Japan's conviction rate is above 99%." Although this figure is is regularly sited in the context of Ghosn's decision to flee the country this statistic is misleading since in Japan this figure counts cases where the defendant pleads guilty. So this 99% figure applies to all prosecuted cases not just contested cases. If the US were to use the same calculation the conviction rate would be about the same. I believe it…
That's because the prosecution only go for cases they are very certain about. That alone is bad, but on top of that it breeds a culture of them 'always being right and how dare you question us'. Sorry, but it's a sign of a justice system very out of whack and not something to defend. People are only okay with it because most people don't have any interaction with law enforcement, let alone the justice system.
I was in no way defending that system at all. I was just pointing out that the 99% statistic is constantly thrown about in Ghosn discussions without ever mentioning what the conviction percentage is anywhere else. And if you use the US as a a standard of comparison then that statistic is actually quite high as well. And if use the same calculation as Japan then the US is also above 99%.
If someone says "the life expectancy for women in my country is 88", then without comparing that to somewhere else perhaps your own country then you don't really know if you should consider 88 high or low or normal. Anyway the link I provided discusses comparative justice systems and why this is, including your first point.
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If you ever thought the American justice system is bad, look into the Japanese one. The whole system is designed to make you confess and apologize. They will literally lie to you and tell you it will all go away if you sign the confession paperwork. You dont get a lawyer while they do this, and they get to keep you for quite a bit of time before you get a lawyer. They also dont do trial by jury, but inquisitorial jud…
Not trying to handwave away issues with the Japanese system, but scale seems relevant here. Japan: 40 incarcerated per 100k population [1] USA: 655 incarcerated per 100k population [2] [1] https://www.prisonstudies.org/country/japan [2] https://www.prisonstudies.org/country/united-states-america
How come this fucker gets to not only brag about evading justice, in stead of being rightly vilified for it, but is even given a platform to brag from by the most prestigious of media corporations?!? Why hasn't whatever country he's in -- Britain? -- clapped him in irons and extradited him the hell back to Japan? Are they even officially condoning criminals escaping justice as long as they're rich, these days? (Or is…
> Lebanon does not have an extradition treaty with Japan so Mr Ghosn has been allowed to remain there.
Yeah, so he didn't have to go to the embassy.
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The embezzlement charges didn't seem to make much sense when I took a look. Taken literally, sure, maybe he embezzled. But this is a guy who basically set his own salary at whatever number he wanted every year for 20 years. And apparently there was a culture at the top of the company where the executives were able to spend quite freely using company money. If you are able to simply legally pay yourself more if you wa…
This is Fair. For GP: > Why were none of the Japanese executives arrested? Then zero arrest is expected, or you have any suspicion?
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/09/nissan-ceo-saikawa-to-step-d...
The most curious thing: Why were none of the Japanese executives arrested? Not even briefly for questioning? Ghosn was held for hundreds of days, Kelly is currently undergoing trial. It seems to me that this was a corporate coup with assistance from the prosecutors office. The plan was Ghosn would be arrested, admit guilt straightaway, possibly under some questionable interrogation[1] and then get a fine/suspended se…
You couldn't be more right here. Been working with japanese companies for years so those things do not come as a surprise.
There is a lot of corporate fraud happening in Japan, particularly at large corporations. No way Ghosn was innocent - however at the same time all japanese at Nissan board were well aware of what was happening and benefitted from that. Were they arrested you may ask? Certainly no. They took the power and if you ask me, I can't be more bearish on Nissan's future.
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Not trying to handwave away issues with the Japanese system, but scale seems relevant here. Japan: 40 incarcerated per 100k population [1] USA: 655 incarcerated per 100k population [2] [1] https://www.prisonstudies.org/country/japan [2] https://www.prisonstudies.org/country/united-states-america
That might even show that over time the Japanese system does a better job deterring crime
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Even if you have the mental strength to resist interrogation and not make a false confession, it might be in your interest to confess to speed things up. If you no-showed at work for 3 weeks, would you lose your job? But if you confess, you could be out today. Here is an account of being arrested and detained in Japan[1]. It's worth a read, especially given the ending. [1] https://nymag.com/vindicated/2016/11/truth-l…
So she was falsely accused, detained for a week, and released with apparently no consequences? That's not great, but it's hardly a uniquely Japanese horror story either. For comparison, back in the Land of the Free, here's a kid in New York who was jailed for three years on Rikers Island for a similar false accusation of theft: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/10/06/before-the-law
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Money - maybe he promised them millions for their help.
I think they were paid about $1.3 million. To me, the amount is surprisingly low given how much money Ghosn has, and the risk and effort involved. Also I find it strange that the names of these 2 guys were known to everyone in the world immediately after Ghosn escaped.
Too bad for all the people that helped him escape who are being jailed now.
Why too bad? They obviously broke the law and got caught. Imagine a pair of spetznaz break Derek Chauvin out of the US and bring him to another country. They get caught. Too bad these foreign special forces got caught?