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Tesla’s $16k Quote for a $700 Fix Is Why Right to Repair Matters

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Post by dragonwriter »

privateSFacct wrote: post #181
throwaway0a5e wrote: post #163

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>I highly recommend you ask an attorney about it, Funny, that's exactly what I did. > I'm reiterating the opinion they provided So am I. I repair and modify things, typically light commercial vehicles and the equipment mounted to or towed by them. I work on the economic low end of the market so I get all the stuff that real shops want nothing to do with and have had to consider how liable I am for my work. I have had…

There is a fair bit wrong with this advice. CA is a joint and several liability state. Joint and several liability is the legal doctrine that each defendant in a personal injury claim may be held responsible for ALL the victim's economic damages. Importantly this can occur if you are fractionally at fault. You've parked 10 feet off the side of the freeway, 16 feet away from any lane. Someone is going 80 miles an hour…

> CA is a joint and several liability state.

Most states are either joint and several liability states or (more commonly, and as California actually is), modified joint and several liability states.

> And at least in CA - even if the husband was 90% at fault (to a normal person the one who did things wrong). YOU could pay out everything.

No, because California is also a comparative fault state, so if the decedent (for wrongful death claims) abd/or plaintiff (for any claims) is 90% responsible, other actors who might be jointly (for economic damages) or severally (for non-economic damages) liable would only be liable for up to a total of 10% of the resulting damages (any tortfeasor for the full amount under joint liability, or the amount of their proportionate responsibility for several liability.)

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Post by londons_explore »

kumarvvr wrote: post #382
londons_explore wrote: post #378

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> Much lower pressure, actually - domestic water is supplied closer to 50-60psi. Cries in England where domestic water can be as low as 10 psi and sometimes won't even reach the top of your house and you have to go downstairs to get water...

You could use a booster pump + accumulator system to get constant pressure. Pretty cheap and easy to install. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Water-Booster-Pump/s?k=Water+Booste...

Got one. It's super noisy, the sound vibrates through all the pipes in the house, and sometimes the water can't even get as high as the inlet to the pump.

It would just be better if the utility company supplied a decent pressure. But they don't want to do that because their pipes have thousands of leaks in, and the higher the pressure the more water leaks out.

This is the problem of living in a place where most of the infrastructure is 200 years old.

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Post by hellbannedguy »

effingwewt wrote: post #379
tylersmith wrote: post #176

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> It's a stretch to describe road debris hitting the undercarriage of a car a "collision". The insurance that covers such an event is literally called collison insurance.

Indeed. I have full coverage with Geico, as well as uninsured motorist coverage, damage etc. Well the other night some asshole decided to pac-man all the cones on the highway late at night so we had to navigate a field of almost impossible to see cones (the borders are black and there were no lights up). Several cars, including mine ended up running over a few. I got lucky as it just messed up my paint a bit on the f…

We shouid start giving age, area code, points on license, and price per year for auto insurance.

I have a feeling the rats are collaborating on price.

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Post by bserge »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #116
passivate wrote: post #102

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>that they won’t accept a hack fix (however safe it may be) - that car is going to be sold to someone once the lease expires, they just can’t take the risk But why are you calling it a hack fix? Also, why would a competent third-party repair shop be "risky"? A customer should be free to pick out an experienced and competent repair-shop just the way they currently do for their cars. And if they don't want to, they can…

> A customer should be free to pick out an experienced and competent repair-shop just the way they currently do for their cars. And if they don't want to, they can take it to the dealership like they would have anyway. I would agree, as long as that third party has insurance in the event their fix (due to work performed on the high voltage battery pack) causes a failure resulting in the loss of the vehicle and liabil…

Did they replace or disable the cooling system pressure sensor?

If they didn't, that hypothetical failure when charging would be Tesla's fault.

But I guess Tesla would try hard to pin it on the garage if they knew about the fix.

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Post by Marsymars »

ethbr0 wrote: post #121
gamegoblin wrote: post #108

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I started woodworking as hobby a few years ago, and used some epoxy here and there to fill voids in wood. But after having epoxy on hand all the time, I realized just how absurdly useful it is for fixing little things around the house. Our microwave handle barb broke off. Epoxy it back on. Dropped a potted plant and the pot broke. Epoxy it back together. Etc. There are super ergonomic and foolproof products that I fe…

Two part epoxy is duct tape for adults. I patched a cracked tub basin with marine grade and embedded fiberglass -- lasted 6 years (so far).

I ripped the front edge off one of my snowboards by riding into a tree - paid $20 for a shop repair that ripped off again in a day - glued it back with marine epoxy when I got home from that trip, and it's been good for another ~40 days of hard riding so far.

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Post by devenson »

RHSeeger wrote: post #407
wtallis wrote: post #399

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40m doesn't seem at all surprising if you consider the height of a water tower built somewhere with higher elevation than most of the town. My house is 20m lower than the base of either of the two nearest water towers, at least one of which is ~75m tall. A few years ago, the town completed migrating one of the outlying areas with lots of new development into their central pressure zone, resulting in an increase by 45…

> Pressure reducing valves are used anywhere the pressure going into a home is above 80 PSI, and those are a lot more common than homes needing their own booster pumps My house has one of these, as the pressure would go up to 90 psi sometimes (iirc). Weirdly, my water pressure isn't consistent and can still burst to a "visibly from the tap" higher pressure for a few minutes at a time. I have no idea what causes it.

I wonder if it's from water expanding in the hot water heater. That might be pressurizing your system after you send a volume of cold water into the heater after use. Your pressure reducer valve might be acting like a check valve preventing expansion relief into the municipal supply.

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Post by conk »

Just wait for the follow up in 2.5 years when this guy goes to turn in his lease and is told he has to pay to replace the battery due to an unapproved modification. If I were him I wouldn’t have made a video with a +1m subscriber YouTube celebrity. I’m sure this car is on Tesla’s radar now.

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Post by dragonwriter »

whoknowswhat11 wrote: post #413
throwaway0a5e wrote: post #186

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I kind of took for granted the fact that my customers are typically the party with the money by several orders of magnitude so I don't have to worry much about joint liability even though I live in one of those states. You're definitely not wrong, "don't be the only party with the money" was one of the things my law professor drilled into us but for a consumer getting their car (or whatever) repaired they don't reall…

Perfect - the best defense BY FAR is to have less / little / no $$. This is unique in CA - other party can be 90% at fault - so you’d think they’d have to pay (some states do whoever is 51%+ pays). But you can actually be the one paying rather than getting paid even if they hit you.

> This is unique in CA

No its not, its the pure comparative fault rule followed by 13 states.

> - other party can be 90% at fault - so you’d think they’d have to pay

And you’d be right, if you suffered damages. If they were 90% responsible and you were 10% responsible, they’d have to suffer 9× the compensible injury that you did to net anything, because California is a pure comparative fault state.

> (some states do whoever is 51%+ pays).

Incorrect.

Some states do each of:

* Whoever is >0% at fault cannot collect from other parties (pure contributory negligence).

* Whoever is at least 50% at fault cannot collect from other parties (one modified comparative fault rule.)

* Whoever is at least 51% at fault cannot collect from other parties (another modified comparative fault rule.)

None require 51% fault to be required to pay.

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Post by bserge »

elisharobinson wrote: post #125
passivate wrote: post #102

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>that they won’t accept a hack fix (however safe it may be) - that car is going to be sold to someone once the lease expires, they just can’t take the risk But why are you calling it a hack fix? Also, why would a competent third-party repair shop be "risky"? A customer should be free to pick out an experienced and competent repair-shop just the way they currently do for their cars. And if they don't want to, they can…

its not like a brake light or a suspension part this was a inlet port for cooling fluid to the battery . If not done correctly it will spring a leak in a onroad driving situation , Tesla probably does have safety systems to stop the car to prevent the battery from overheating and exploding. besides they charged 700$ for 5$ worth of parts and 1~2 hours of labour :) that isnt the best advocacy for RTR IMO.

Oh no, why has no one told Tesla this before they decided to use a plastic part that could be damaged by road debris and spring a leak?

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Post by bserge »

ethbr0 wrote: post #90
throwaway0a5e wrote: post #33

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>Sure, except Tesla has a history of performing just as janky repairs on their cars themselves. Its even stated in the article.[0] Drilling and tapping a broken off plastic barb for a brass (or steel, or plastic, or whatever) barb is a very, very, very, standard procedure in any trade where you repair things. I wouldn't call this hack. Appealing to authority is fashionable. People will poo-poo anything if they think…

Brass is downright professional. https://www.jbweld.com/product/j-b-weld-professional-size

Yeah, that's what I'd call a hack. It would work, but it's kinda iffy compared to what they did :D
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