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Hyperarchy: Democracy for the Digital Era

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Re: Hyperarchy: Democracy for the Digital Era

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because I might be turned down for a job or apartment or loan because of my political views ? And because it's frankly nobody else's business how I vote ?

Voting is an inherently public, civic act. It's not a personal matter. Your vote has a direct effect on lots of other people. Why shouldn't you be accountable for that?

The problem is that, as others have mentioned, from openness results social pressure, and social pressure can severely affect your decisions.

On the other hand, openness of course leads to transparency, and transparency prevents corruption and lobbying (to a considerable degree, at least). Interestingly though, this is also due to social pressure.

My vision would be a system that combines techniques such as the ones deployed in BitCoin and NameCoin (Public Keys) to ensure unique identities but still preserve anonymity. In a such a system, everyone could freely speak their mind anonymously, yet still be accountable (in this case meaning he or she can be identified as some individual, but not as a specific person). This would also lead to reducing debates to facts and arguments, by effectively completely depersonalizing it. It would no longer be about people, it would be about problems, ideas and solutions.

I don't really know if this technically feasible (I'm not even sure if it makes sense to anyone but me), but I think it would solve many of the problems with real democracy.

Re: Hyperarchy: Democracy for the Digital Era

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It's an interesting idea, but I see some major problems. 1) It's currently impossible to tie a person down to a single online entity. There's quite a lot of inertia/sentiment preventing this sort of situation. If you can't insure that each person only gets one voice, then the system breaks. 2) What happens when the Goon Swarm arrives? No, I'm serious. It's hard to troll the government as it stands today. The internet…

> It's currently impossible to tie a person down to a single online entity Actually, it's quite possible nowadays in many countries, with the introduction of smart ID cards.

That is... relatively scary. I feel that one of the essential features of the internet is its anonymity. Take that away and it loses some of its value.

Re: Hyperarchy: Democracy for the Digital Era

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Voting is an inherently public, civic act. It's not a personal matter. Your vote has a direct effect on lots of other people. Why shouldn't you be accountable for that?

You should review the history behind secret voting for a list of reasons why secret votes are considered a good thing.

I've looked around Wikipedia, but the only reason I can find is voter intimidation. Every presidential election in the US until Grover Cleveland in 1884 was by open ballot, so it's not like an open-ballot system is untenable.

Re: Hyperarchy: Democracy for the Digital Era

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Good ideas in principle but I'm reminded of my experience tuning PID controllers for servo motors: too much P and you have wild, out-of-control oscillations, too much D and you never get to your target. The I value has to be carefully chosen to make sure misrepresentations are gradually amplified to break through the collective perception threshold.

As stated I think there's not enough damping in hyperarchy.

Re: Hyperarchy: Democracy for the Digital Era

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post #22
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's currently impossible to tie a person down to a single online entity Actually, it's quite possible nowadays in many countries, with the introduction of smart ID cards.

That is... relatively scary. I feel that one of the essential features of the internet is its anonymity. Take that away and it loses some of its value.

This isn't the Internet. It may run over the Internet, but it isn't the Internet. It's a government. A more delicate balance of accountability and anonymity is called for.

I'd also observe that nobody is really claiming that we must run out and immediately implement this to replace the US Federal government. Start a house-level government, or a frat-level government, or I suppose more relevantly for this crowd, use it for your open source project's governance. Work your way up, learning from the experience. Anonymity and coercion and a lot of other problems that absolutely must be solved for this to work at large scales need not necessarily be solved at smaller ones. Scale up the security later when we need to, and when we understand the space better. In the future we need better cryptography and P2P and etc etc etc, but let's learn about the space now.

(There's something about the word "government" that just makes engineer's engineering sense go flying out the window and turns them right back into Waterfall designers. It's OK to iterate!)

Re: Hyperarchy: Democracy for the Digital Era

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I had the same exact idea regarding delegation years ago, but I no longer have the requisite faith in humanity to agree with it.

How many of us are actually wise enough to delegate a vote, when we think ourselves wise and others foolish?

And how many of us are actually qualified to decide public policy, when we can barely manage our own affairs?

Just imagine what sort of absurd tyranny a vast mob of common humans could accomplish if the power were truly given to them.

It would be surreal.

( A minimal republic, and a system of full-on social darwinism, to me, appears to be ideal. )

Re: Hyperarchy: Democracy for the Digital Era

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The concept of flexible delegation is really interesting, but what about secrecy of the ballot? Is there any way that can be ensured? The article does not touch on the subject, unfortunately.

Secret ballots are only useful to prevent coercion. Why else would you want your ballot secret?

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