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The monorail video is jaw-dropping. Nine versions in, I would expect ongoing challenges with things like you mention. But continued failure to even see large, flat obstacles is no longer something that needs to be fixed – that it has persisted this long (even after killing someone as in the case of T-boning a semi trailer at highway speeds) is an indictment of the entire approach Tesla has been taking to FSD. I used…
I think a big issue with that instance (monorail) is probably because they just threw out years of radar data without having a comparable reliability in place with the vision only. Completely mental that they are allowed to run this on public roadways.
Scenarios in which Tesla FSD Beta 9.0 fails
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> "we wanted to avoid nuisance braking so we put in a delay when the system was confused." As someone who used to work in safety-critical software, it blows my mind that you would deliberately hobble one of your main risk mitigations because your system gets confused Maybe it was put in place to avoid erratic braking in absence of obstacle, in order to avoid getting hit in the rear by other vehicles (whose driver wou…
That's a good point and might have been their rationale, but I would argue it wasn't a very good risk mitigation because while they reduced the risk in one area (being rear ended) they increased their risk elsewhere. Worse yet, it increased the risk in an area more prone to higher severity incidents (e.g., hitting pedestrians - I assume - carries a higher severity than being rear-ended)
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I see this argument a lot. This is a small beta test and I have yet to see anything better on a larger scale. Most drivers shouldn’t be allowed on public roads yet here we are. Why are you so full of fear and anger over this? Isn’t this a place for open discussion?
> I have yet to see anything better on a larger scale Waymo self-driving is a relatively large scale. It also has blunders but they appear to be far less concerning than Tesla's.
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#355All of the Tesla fanboys saying you don't need LIDAR, RADAR, or Maps as a kind of "ground truth" and you can get by on video only should take this as a huge repudiation of brag by Musk. Look, Radar, Lidar, and Maps aren't perfect. A map can be wrong, Radar can have false echos, Lidar can have issues in bad weather, etc. But if you're depending on visual recognition of one-way signs, having a potentially out-of-date b…
I see this argument a lot. This is a small beta test and I have yet to see anything better on a larger scale. Most drivers shouldn’t be allowed on public roads yet here we are. Why are you so full of fear and anger over this? Isn’t this a place for open discussion?
I mean, just look at the visual representation of what the FSD is showing. It has no temporal stability. Solid objects are constantly appearing and disappearing. Often the trajectory line periodically switches from a sane path to some radically wrong path.
The car then often takes a HARD accelerated left or right, like it is dodging something, which often isn't there, only to threaten another collision.
It's like a Trolley Problem where one of the tracks is empty, and you divert the trolley into a group of kids.
The "aggressive" nature of its fails is super concerning. My son is 16 and learning to drive right now. When he makes a mistake, he doesn't aggressively accelerate and make wild turns, he hits the brakes. In most cases, in residential traffic (25-30mph), someone braking will annoy other drivers, but they will be able to stop and avoid collision. At many city driving speeds, you should not have to make sudden, super aggressive turns into the other lanes. Just safety come to a stop, even if you annoy people.
I see Musk's attitude here as endangering the public. Cars aren't rockets launched at far away landing strips by expert flight controllers. Even these beta testers can fuck up, as numerous people have already died using FSD, because some dipshits like to watch DVDs or sit in the back seats to show off to friends on TikTok, dangering not just themselves, but the public.
The beta should be closed IMHO to Tesla employees only and professionally hired drivers. I mean, why can't Tesla just do what other companies do, hire like 1000 drivers to go drive FSD around 100 American cities for months at a time collecting data?
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> I have yet to see anything better on a larger scale Waymo self-driving is a relatively large scale. It also has blunders but they appear to be far less concerning than Tesla's.
Geo-fenced isn’t large scale. There’s no clear route to allow them to expand that tech.
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#357These aren't even the worst examples I've seen by far-- but I suppose they're the worst people have posted with the latest software. As someone in another thread said: Driving with Tesla FSD is like being a drive instructor for a narcoleptic student driver who is currently tripping balls. I don't want to share a road with these things. I try to stay as far away from every tesla on the road as I can.
Please share them if you have. As someone in another thread said: Tesla has the most advanced self driving software currently in development in the world. If there’s something better you can feel free to share that with your other videos.
This is just nonsense. These videos show them at a disengagement every couple miles. Waymo was at that level 10 years ago and is 10000s of times better now.
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I feel like the Xbox Kinect from 2010 would be a better vision solution than what they’ve got here, at least for the 20 feet ahead of you.
Until you have multiple cars trying to project multiple arrays of infrared dots onto objects 20 meters away in bright sunlight and then getting an accurate reading on which of the array kerfuffle is theirs.
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They currently charge $10k for FSD. Even if they don't drop any of their cameras and processing equipment, $500 LIDAR is a 5% increase. Is it just me or are we politely ignoring Musk's reluctance to admit his bold proclamations against LIDAR are the biggest factor in their design decisions.
Andrej Karpathy already explained they were getting too much noise from Radar. Adding LIDAR would only complicated it. Unless you have better knowledge than Andrej Karpathy, I’ll go with his word on this. Edit: nitrogen I can’t comment directly on yours, so I’ll ass it here. That’s a good goal to have and they tried that for well over two years. They found too much noise and confusion. If Radar says one thing and Vis…
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> ...doesn't matter how well it does in 90% of situations... Based on the full-length videos, I'd say it's more like 99.9% or even 99.99% for FSD 9.
Not sure if 99.99% refers to distance or time, but either way I'm not sure it's a good metric since it only takes a second or two to kill someone.