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A journey through the troubled former Yugoslavia

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Re: A journey through the troubled former Yugoslavia

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Post by finiteseries »

e2021 wrote: post #13

I remember when Spiegel did this same sort of travel story through the US and it turned out the author just made most of it up to fit whatever stereotypes he wanted to confirm about americans. Hard to take them seriously after that.

Claas Relotious, went on for a decade. Der Spiegel, its editors, its fact checkers, and its readers ate it all right up for years and years.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/dispatch/the-deep-pathology-a...

https://medium.com/@micheleanderson/der-spiegel-journalist-m...

Re: A journey through the troubled former Yugoslavia

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Post by 9front »

The conflict in what used to be Yugoslavia is not 30 something years old. It's about 14 centuries old. It is the clash of cultures between Christians and Islamist, with the later trying to impose their beliefs on the former.

I stayed over there for about one year just before the fighting would start. Yugoslavia was a beautiful country indeed.

Re: A journey through the troubled former Yugoslavia

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Post by dinoooo »

hef19898 wrote: post #28
emptyfile wrote: post #15

Amazed that the article paints Croatia as a country with "rising anti-democratic forces" while for some reason not mentioning that a month ago the mayoral election in the capital city (quarter of the population) was won by a left-green coalition modelled on Podemos. They won 40% of the vote.

Croatia is strange in that regard. On the one hand you have that mayoral election, on the other you have their national soccer team flying the nationalists version of Croatias flag. (if what our newspaper claimed was true. even if it is, they also printed a wrong flag of the opposite team on their jerseys once, so it could also just be a stupid mistake). I love that country so, very nice people and a beautiful landsc…

> nationalists version of Croatias flag

It wasn't the nationalist version, any state flag is inherently a nationalist symbol, the problem is that the logo is from the NDH, a Nazi puppet state of Croatia, which created the Jasenovac concentration camp.

It might be a mistake, but as a young adult, everyone around me (I live in Croatia) knows what the 'first white square' symbolizes.

Re: A journey through the troubled former Yugoslavia

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Post by ceesharp »

tut-urut-utut wrote: post #30
ww2buff wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A decisive federation victory over the republika srpska

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Islamic state in Bosnia, that's funny. If you've ever been in Bosnia, then you would have known that the majority do not care about islam as itself. Yes, they might identify themselves as "muslim", but they aren't religious per se. My friends would go to pray for Bayram and then the whole city would eat and get drunk together, very Islamic. :)

Re: A journey through the troubled former Yugoslavia

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Post by kklisura »

tut-urut-utut wrote: post #30
ww2buff wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A decisive federation victory over the republika srpska

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Nobody in their right mind wants an Islamic state there. No sane muslim in BiH wants that. The fear of "Islamic state" in Bosnia is right wing trope.

Re: A journey through the troubled former Yugoslavia

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Post by mishkovski »

The Slavic majority in Macedonia has a name, Walter Mayr. It is Macedonians. Western media’s ignorance of one small nation’s struggle for recognition really puzzles me. Yes we are Slavs but you don’t call Russians Slavic majority in Russia. After more than a century of neighbour's aggressive politics to stifle Macedonian’s national awakening the least I expect from the media is to call the majority of my home country Macedonians.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonians_(ethnic_group)

Re: A journey through the troubled former Yugoslavia

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Post by hef19898 »

dinoooo wrote: post #33
hef19898 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Croatia is strange in that regard. On the one hand you have that mayoral election, on the other you have their national soccer team flying the nationalists version of Croatias flag. (if what our newspaper claimed was true. even if it is, they also printed a wrong flag of the opposite team on their jerseys once, so it could also just be a stupid mistake). I love that country so, very nice people and a beautiful landsc…

> nationalists version of Croatias flag It wasn't the nationalist version, any state flag is inherently a nationalist symbol, the problem is that the logo is from the NDH, a Nazi puppet state of Croatia, which created the Jasenovac concentration camp. It might be a mistake, but as a young adult, everyone around me (I live in Croatia) knows what the 'first white square' symbolizes.

Thanks for clarifying. Any idea how that flag ended up on the jerseys? That's kind of printing the Reichkriegsflagge on German jerseys, with the true equivalant, the Nazi fla, being outlawed.

Re: A journey through the troubled former Yugoslavia

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Post by hutzlibu »

hef19898 wrote: post #27
e2021 wrote: post #13

I remember when Spiegel did this same sort of travel story through the US and it turned out the author just made most of it up to fit whatever stereotypes he wanted to confirm about americans. Hard to take them seriously after that.

The Spiegel is great at this kind of storytelling. I came to see them as the BILD for people abl to read snetences with more than 5 words.

While looking down on anyone who reads the Bild and co. and feeling very superior in general.

Re: A journey through the troubled former Yugoslavia

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Post by ceilingcorner »

The viewpoint that this article is missing: much of this “reversion” to anti-democratic governments in Central Europe (Visegrad+ Balkans) is coming from Western EU members pushing their newfangled cultural ideologies a little too hard. Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, Ex-Yugoslavia want to be a part of the EU for economic reasons, not so they can participate in American-led cultural movements. If the EU doesn’t wise up and tone down their revolutionary zeal, these countries are going to be pushed even further away, eventually even towards Russia, China, or Turkey.

Re: A journey through the troubled former Yugoslavia

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Post by mlang23 »

mishkovski wrote: post #36

The Slavic majority in Macedonia has a name, Walter Mayr. It is Macedonians. Western media’s ignorance of one small nation’s struggle for recognition really puzzles me. Yes we are Slavs but you don’t call Russians Slavic majority in Russia. After more than a century of neighbour's aggressive politics to stifle Macedonian’s national awakening the least I expect from the media is to call the majority of my home country…

"national awakening", umpf. People still think this is a positive thing these days.
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