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“One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by watwut »

janci wrote: post #248
jimsimmons wrote: post #139

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You ask as if these people were working with Iron Man and Jarvis. The things you describe would take at least weeks to build. “Full space suit like helmet with air to be able to talk over radio “ retrofitted to work with whatever dive equipment they had loll. What else? Maybe they could have a Mac n cheese dispenser in the side too

From the article: > There was even a discussion about leaving the 12 kids and the football coach inside the cave for the whole rainy season and providing them with food and supplies from outside for months. I suppose building the equipment for few weeks is better than waiting for months to end of rainy season.

But that plan was rejected. It is not like they would conclude that staying there for long is good idea.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by ryzvonusef »

ryzvonusef wrote: post #237
fab1an wrote: post #45

The most harrowing thing I have read in a long time. I can't even begin to fathom the immense bravery of these divers - and that of the boys. I didn't really follow the Musk bit of the story, but the fact that he had the audacity to shitpost about any of these guys make me think vastly less of him (and I'm usually in the Musk-respecter camp)

>I didn't really follow the Musk bit of the story I did, and it's shocking how something only a few years away, and so publicly recorded, has been so muddled. There was this thai journalist I had been following on twitter to get all details on the whole situation, pity I forgot the account. anyhoo, here is the cliffnotes version from my memory, apologies if I got something wrong, I'm not a journalist, can't be arsed…

here is what i can dig up, will update as I find more sources:

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Here are all of elon's tweet's during the time period:

(23-Jun-2018 to 11-Jul-2018)

https://twitter.com/search?q=(from%3Aelonmusk)%20until%3A201...

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here is the email between elon and richard stanton, the rescue lead: where richard seems to urged elon to continue the work on the mini sub

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1016684366083190785

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unless I am mistaken, this is thai billionaire guy:

@JamesWorldSpace

https://twitter.com/search?q=(from%3Ajamesworldspace)%20unti...

you can check his account for details I guess

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this is the inflatable raft that I was thinking of, made by the suppliers

https://lostcoastoutpost.com/2018/jul/7/elon-musks-plane-was...

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I think this is the thai journalist i was following back then

https://twitter.com/thanr

https://twitter.com/search?q=(from%3Athanr)%20until%3A2018-0...

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by saiya-jin »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #235
yarcob wrote: post #223

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Musk has a history of going after people who critisize him in public. He (and his staff) have again and again attacked journalists, former employees, and anyone else who said anything bad about Tesla or Musk. A common thread is that they always try to present critics as liars and try to destroy their reputation. It's happened so often, that we must assume it's their standard method of operation. And whether that call…

> Musk has a history of going after people who critisize him in public. Does he? Can you name three cases? > He (and his staff) have again and again attacked journalists, former employees, and anyone else who said anything bad about Tesla or Musk. Again, can you name three cases where Musk went after a journalist or former employees, and we know , beyond reasonable doubt, that the victim was right - and not, in fact,…

What the heck are you talking about, Tesla failed at Top Gear because when you drive the car hard on laps (which is what TG was mostly doing), just like any other electric car the theoretical range goes down significantly. Just like any other car running on any other source of energy.

It annoyed the hell out of them that after driving for few laps they have to wait for hours to charge the car to do few more laps.

Musk's ego simply couldn't swallow the fact that show which is being watched by 300 million people regularly slanted his baby. Luckily in this case, his enemy wasn't some lone expert diver but BBC with team of expensive lawyers, hence the result.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by pezezin »

dylan604 wrote: post #88
arcticbull wrote: post #42

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Yea haha I was going to remind folks of that too. Elon was building a submarine that everyone involved told him was a terrible idea and to please leave them alone because he was hampering the effort, and Elon responded by calling one of the lead rescuers a “pedo guy” and got sued over it. I believe his defense was that “pedo guy” was a common insult in South Africa. Simpler times haha.

>I believe his defense was that “pedo guy” was a common insult in South Africa. This is also what Luis Suarez said about his comment that got him in trouble that his comment is common where he's from. Just because it's what is said in one place does not mean that it is acceptable anywhere else (if even in the one place).

Nowhere the same case, Suárez used a common friendly term with his friend, as a thank you, and he wrote it in Spanish. Anybody who has half a clue about the Spanish language knows that was not an insult, quite the opposite.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by rndgermandude »

sundvor wrote: post #190
saalweachter wrote: post #169

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The good news is that the Tesla is far from your only option for an electric car at this point.

Pretty much thanks to Tesla. Electric cars wouldn't be anywhere near where they are today without him - whatever we may think of his personality, the advancements in tech and environmental impacts for generations to come are real.

Yes and no.

Tesla did innovate, but frankly not as much as many people want to give them credit for. And a lot of the innovation happened before Musk even joined, at least when it comes to basic EV tech, not talking about AutoPilot or whatever.

Their real achievement was creating a market and interest. This new consumer and investor interest was also in large part to Musk throwing his ego around in public. A lot of other car makers had models in late stage development phases too, but didn't really see enough interest and a market need to bring those models forward to reach production. They were fat and happy, selling their fossil fuel models.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by janci »

watwut wrote: post #260
janci wrote: post #246

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From the article: >Later, after the water had run off, you could see that down at the bottom, where the boys walked in, there were much larger gaps. But the divers couldn’t attach anything to the muddy bottom when laying out the guide lines. They had to follow along the ceiling. The only path they found was through the narrow passageways. As I understand it, they had to use the narrow passages at the top because they…

> I assume some equipment could help with that making the transport easier once a more comfortable path was found. Or maybe your assumptions are wrong.

Maybe. That's why I am trying to discuss. To find out why are they wrong.

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Post by hef19898 »

imtringued wrote: post #258
loceng wrote: post #185

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So now you can update your son based on another comment we know that Elon was lied to by a private investigator - and seems safe to assume his comments based on that faulty/made up information; https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27796249 Elon is a good role model, he's not perfect though. I'm not sure why so many people blindly put him on a pedestal assuming he should be superhuman - especially at the abnormal leve…

Tesla bought Solar city to bail out around $6 billion in assets owned by the Musk family. He came up with an overhyped product launch (the solar roof) to instill confidence while behind the scenes he gutted Solar city (renamed to Tesla Energy) to nothing. I don't want him to be a role model for anyone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QqtSqy3oeY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8f0PzbJOau8

Not to mention credit deals between SpaceX and Tesla as well. Also his habit of promissing outlandish stuff (self driving taxis for example) to keep money flowing and evaluations high. And then manipulating the unregulated Bitcoin market, trying that with stock traded on wall street would get you in hot water with the SEC. Something Elon has already experience with. Good cororate governance is something else.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by hef19898 »

iso1210 wrote: post #239
Dah00n wrote: post #213

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>if other engineers said he's an engineer Nonsense! Engineer is an education, not a job title. It's no different than Musk calling himself Doctor. He either went to school for years to become an engineer or he isn't one.

The term Engineer is pretty much meaningless in the US. The IT trade is pathetic in this area -- if you swap out a few cat5s you're suddenly an "Network Engineer". Cut and paste some stackoverflow snippets together and you're a "Software Engineer". In the UK the term is meaningless too, but CEng isn't. You don't become a Chartered Engineer until you've done the education but also have monitored professional practice…

The bare minimum is to have bachelor's degree in engineering, no matter what engineering field. You have that, you are an engineer, you don't you'rr not. Regardless of the career you choose after graduation.
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