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“One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by andi999 »

loceng wrote: post #185
geomark wrote: post #180

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I saw and touched the sub; it was featured at a science expo in Bangkok not long after the rescue. It was a metal tube with some plexiglass plates on it with air valves mounted in them. I'm sure there was some engineering involved, but didn't seem at all impressive. My son was a big fan of Elon, the "cool rocket guy". But after his comments about Unsworth he asked me "Why did Elon say that stuff about the man who is…

So now you can update your son based on another comment we know that Elon was lied to by a private investigator - and seems safe to assume his comments based on that faulty/made up information; https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27796249 Elon is a good role model, he's not perfect though. I'm not sure why so many people blindly put him on a pedestal assuming he should be superhuman - especially at the abnormal leve…

To me hiring an investigator to find dirt on a guy who bruised your ego by pointing out correctly that the sub sucks, is already crossing a lot of lines for me.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by Dah00n »

kiba wrote: post #181
na85 wrote: post #141

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>He’s chief engineer at spacex for starters. He calls himself that, sure. Elon is a smart guy, and that's why I think he positions himself the way he does. He doesn't want to be Bill Gates, he wants to be perceived as a man of the people. A dudebro who happens to be rich. That's why he's smoking joints with Joe Rogan on camera and tweeting about WSB. There is zero percent chance that Elon is actually doing any techni…

This is 100% public perception that he's a business development guy and all, because all we see is him tweeting, memeing, and sometime making a fool of himself. He's an engineer, and there's a bunch of engineers who worked with him who will attest to that.

Why do you need someone who worked with him to attast it? Engineer is something you go to school to become, not something you become because you have money or workers. Either he have an education as an engineer or he isn't an engineer. Giving yourself a title in your own company doesn't make it so.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by Dah00n »

kiba wrote: post #122
delecti wrote: post #118

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Edit: I can admit when I'm wrong. I stand by my assertion that it's absurd to call him a founder of Tesla, but his position in SpaceX seems to be legit. ~~He may be credited as chief engineer at SpaceX, but that doesn't mean he's meaningfully contributing to actual engineering efforts.~~ He's also credited as a founder of Tesla, despite not actually being involved in the founding of that company.

Elon Musk is a real engineer, especially if other engineers said he's an engineer.[1] Whatever his history is with other people or whatever his personality flaws or weakness, he's the real deal. [1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/k1e0ta/eviden...

>if other engineers said he's an engineer

Nonsense! Engineer is an education, not a job title. It's no different than Musk calling himself Doctor. He either went to school for years to become an engineer or he isn't one.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by Dah00n »

AussieWog93 wrote: post #142
delecti wrote: post #118

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Edit: I can admit when I'm wrong. I stand by my assertion that it's absurd to call him a founder of Tesla, but his position in SpaceX seems to be legit. ~~He may be credited as chief engineer at SpaceX, but that doesn't mean he's meaningfully contributing to actual engineering efforts.~~ He's also credited as a founder of Tesla, despite not actually being involved in the founding of that company.

Even if he doesn't do the hands-on design work himself, he's clearly good at both recognising engineering talent and evaluating information that's presented to him. You couldn't have either of these skills without some engineering knowledge.

Sure, but having engineering knowledge doesn't make you an engineer just like having medical knowledge doesn't make you a doctor.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by andi999 »

AussieWog93 wrote: post #142
delecti wrote: post #118

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Edit: I can admit when I'm wrong. I stand by my assertion that it's absurd to call him a founder of Tesla, but his position in SpaceX seems to be legit. ~~He may be credited as chief engineer at SpaceX, but that doesn't mean he's meaningfully contributing to actual engineering efforts.~~ He's also credited as a founder of Tesla, despite not actually being involved in the founding of that company.

Even if he doesn't do the hands-on design work himself, he's clearly good at both recognising engineering talent and evaluating information that's presented to him. You couldn't have either of these skills without some engineering knowledge.

So when will his engineers tell him that hyperloop won't work (assuming he honestly doesn't know).

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by Dah00n »

mahathu wrote: post #138
t0astbread wrote: post #135

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Well, at least they're being upfront about it: You can pay or get ads + tracking (or, the hidden third option: leave the site).

this is very common across German websites. I assumed it was a common pattern elsewhere too!

Are you saying German sites doesn't follow the law (only freely given consent is legal)?

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by roenxi »

Dah00n wrote: post #208
roenxi wrote: post #206

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> But in Thailand defamation is a criminal offense that carries jail time. And since Unsworth is a national hero there's little doubt the court would have found in his favor and Elon would have had an outstanding arrest warrant. While Thailand is certainly within their rights to run their justice system how they want: 1) The punishment doesn't in any way fit the crime. 2) "He's such a hero" is a terrible reason to do…

How do you know the punishment doesn't fit the crime when the case is a thought experiment at most? Or are you saying that because it would be a criminal case it is too much no matter what? It makes no sense to me that it is too much just because it isn't US style justice. Criminal doesn't mean prison time. It's not like the US justice system is much better (clearly not working at all in this case). Compared to those…

The comment was hoping that Elon would have an arrest warrant out on him, of the belief that he would never enter Thailand and was pointing out that the maximum penalty was imprisonment. There is an element of crazy - nobody should be facing arrest for saying nasty things. Maybe a fine, after a difficult court case.

Leaving aside that Thailand's defamation laws are largely a club to stop people criticising the government and not really intended for use against people like Musk.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by solveit »

na85 wrote: post #183
kiba wrote: post #181

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This is 100% public perception that he's a business development guy and all, because all we see is him tweeting, memeing, and sometime making a fool of himself. He's an engineer, and there's a bunch of engineers who worked with him who will attest to that.

>He's an engineer, and there's a bunch of engineers who worked with him who will attest to that. He's not, and all those quotes from that reddit thread I know you're thinking of are very careful to dance around the point. He's not an engineer.

Which thread is this? I'm curious.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by geomark »

roenxi wrote: post #217
Dah00n wrote: post #208

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How do you know the punishment doesn't fit the crime when the case is a thought experiment at most? Or are you saying that because it would be a criminal case it is too much no matter what? It makes no sense to me that it is too much just because it isn't US style justice. Criminal doesn't mean prison time. It's not like the US justice system is much better (clearly not working at all in this case). Compared to those…

The comment was hoping that Elon would have an arrest warrant out on him, of the belief that he would never enter Thailand and was pointing out that the maximum penalty was imprisonment. There is an element of crazy - nobody should be facing arrest for saying nasty things. Maybe a fine, after a difficult court case. Leaving aside that Thailand's defamation laws are largely a club to stop people criticising the govern…

More than "a club to stop people criticising the government", it's used extensively by the rich and powerful to stop anyone from criticising them.

Another funny thing about it is that the truth is not a defense. So even if Unsworth was a pedo and Musk could prove it, that would not be a defense against a defamation case. All that is needed is to show that the person making the defamatory remark intended to cause the victim to lose face.

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