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Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by astoor »

camjohnson26 wrote: post #67
fab1an wrote: post #45

The most harrowing thing I have read in a long time. I can't even begin to fathom the immense bravery of these divers - and that of the boys. I didn't really follow the Musk bit of the story, but the fact that he had the audacity to shitpost about any of these guys make me think vastly less of him (and I'm usually in the Musk-respecter camp)

Vernon Unsworth. He sued Musk for libel in the United States and lost. Musk not only called him "pedo guy" on Twitter, but implied he had married a child bride, when he hadn't, and later hired a private investigator to dry to dig up dirt on Unsworth, which found nothing. Musk also sent this letter to Buzzfeed where he doubled down. He thought it was off the record, and says some terrible things: https://www.buzzfeedn…

As well as completely transforming many people's view of Musk (he ceased to be "the least bad billionaire" for many), the case also reflected extremely badly on the US legal system, showing that if you are rich enough you can get away with pretty much anything.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by heisenzombie »

janci wrote: post #47

I still don't get it. The tunnels were too narrow near the ceilling, but wide near the floor. The divers could not keep at the floor because they could not navigate due to zero visibility, zero communication and no tether points. Would not a sonar help? A full spacesuit-like helmet with air to be able to talk via radio? Laying down some flexible tunnels that could be inflated with air or maybe just pumped with clear…

I’ve had very limited experience of low/no visibility diving - it’s hard to overstate how incredibly difficult it is to accomplish anything. You can’t see anything, you can only hear your own loud disorienting breathing, you can’t feel gravity, your sense of time goes completely out of the window. It makes moving very short distances hilariously slow. You constantly have to keep yourself oriented in full 3D space. If I had dropped something 10 centimetres from my face, I may have never found it. Trying to map out alternate routes through kilometres of unknown cave system with incredible time pressure? It’s a miracle they found even one route.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by dylan604 »

tedivm wrote: post #65
jasonwatkinspdx wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When Musk first appeared I was hugely supportive. Definitely a fan of what he was doing both with SpaceX and Tesla. I'm still a fan of what those companies are doing but Elon has destroyed my view of him with his own behavior and words. We should stop turning a blind eye to his labor practices. Likewise, we should give the engineers and other workers that are actually accomplishing these things more credit, vs preten…

Gwynne Shotwell deserves far more of the credit for SpaceX than Musk does.

Most large companies have people that deserve more credit than the sitting CEO. However, that's part of the role of CEO is to be the one people look to as being in "charge".

Musk definitely doesn't shy away from that part to his detrement (clearly he doesn't see it that way). But I'm firmly with the previous poster in that I like what Tesla/SpaceX are doing and attempting, but think Musk is a bit of a tool. The irony is not lost on me that sometimes a calmer figurehead might not have been able to lead to success a company like Tesla and/or SpaceX.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by dafelst »

adamisom wrote: post #73
Karsteski wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was an asshole thing to say, but I don't think someone being an asshole means that that moment defines their "true character"

Yeah if every harmful thing constituted the "true character" of someone, we'd all be sinners. Granted, if a lot of harm is done, then it might be fair. (Cue the knee-jerk "isn't dragging a hero's name through the mud a lot of harm?"; I don't know, can you tell me what wouldn't qualify as a "lot of harm" under your worldview? Everyone knows the diver was a hero and if you have evidence his life is affected, pls share)…

I have a friend of a friend who worked directly under Musk at one of his big ventures. Can confirm that Musk is a giant egotistical asshole, albeit a brilliant one.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by pjc50 »

Karsteski wrote: post #62
bambax wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Musk showed his true character.

It was an asshole thing to say, but I don't think someone being an asshole means that that moment defines their "true character"

Lots of people say dumb things in the heat of the moment. Choosing to stick by it and not apologize is the confirmation dialogue for showing your character.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by dylan604 »

Karsteski wrote: post #62
bambax wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Musk showed his true character.

It was an asshole thing to say, but I don't think someone being an asshole means that that moment defines their "true character"

Oh, but it wasn't just that one thing. It's just layer upon layer with that guy. This one was pretty damn bad though

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by dylan604 »

arcticbull wrote: post #42
lilSebastian wrote: post #25

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Yea haha I was going to remind folks of that too. Elon was building a submarine that everyone involved told him was a terrible idea and to please leave them alone because he was hampering the effort, and Elon responded by calling one of the lead rescuers a “pedo guy” and got sued over it. I believe his defense was that “pedo guy” was a common insult in South Africa. Simpler times haha.

>I believe his defense was that “pedo guy” was a common insult in South Africa.

This is also what Luis Suarez said about his comment that got him in trouble that his comment is common where he's from. Just because it's what is said in one place does not mean that it is acceptable anywhere else (if even in the one place).

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by _tulpa »

jasonwatkinspdx wrote: post #60
fab1an wrote: post #45

The most harrowing thing I have read in a long time. I can't even begin to fathom the immense bravery of these divers - and that of the boys. I didn't really follow the Musk bit of the story, but the fact that he had the audacity to shitpost about any of these guys make me think vastly less of him (and I'm usually in the Musk-respecter camp)

When Musk first appeared I was hugely supportive. Definitely a fan of what he was doing both with SpaceX and Tesla. I'm still a fan of what those companies are doing but Elon has destroyed my view of him with his own behavior and words. We should stop turning a blind eye to his labor practices. Likewise, we should give the engineers and other workers that are actually accomplishing these things more credit, vs preten…

I don't really see what Elon actually does beyond cultivating public image and having money.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by detaro »

Karsteski wrote: post #62
bambax wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Musk showed his true character.

It was an asshole thing to say, but I don't think someone being an asshole means that that moment defines their "true character"

He afterwards paid someone to dig up more dirt and emailed media with further lies about the guy. At that point it kind of stops being "heat of the moment".
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