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“One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by _xy8h »

busterarm wrote: post #44
hef19898 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, the Tucker defence!

Correction, the Rachel Maddow defense. You have to pick the person to use it first.

Terrible attempt at a "No, u, lib" retort.

https://www.businessinsider.com/fox-news-karen-mcdougal-case...

> A federal judge on Thursday dismissed a lawsuit against Fox News after lawyers for the network argued that no "reasonable viewer" takes the primetime host Tucker Carlson seriously, a new court filing said.

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/29/917747123/you-literally-cant-...

>Now comes the claim that you can't expect to literally believe the words that come out of Carlson's mouth. And that assertion is not coming from Carlson's critics. It's being made by a federal judge in the Southern District of New York and by Fox News's own lawyers in defending Carlson against accusations of slander. It worked, by the way.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/judge-tosses-suit-trump-affair-...

> The judge said that lawyers for Fox "persuasively" argued that "any reasonable viewer 'arrive[s] with an appropriate amount of skepticism' about the statements" Carlson makes, according to a court filing.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by camjohnson26 »

camjohnson26 wrote: post #67
fab1an wrote: post #45

The most harrowing thing I have read in a long time. I can't even begin to fathom the immense bravery of these divers - and that of the boys. I didn't really follow the Musk bit of the story, but the fact that he had the audacity to shitpost about any of these guys make me think vastly less of him (and I'm usually in the Musk-respecter camp)

Vernon Unsworth. He sued Musk for libel in the United States and lost. Musk not only called him "pedo guy" on Twitter, but implied he had married a child bride, when he hadn't, and later hired a private investigator to dry to dig up dirt on Unsworth, which found nothing. Musk also sent this letter to Buzzfeed where he doubled down. He thought it was off the record, and says some terrible things: https://www.buzzfeedn…

Musk's submarine was a joke. The video of it shows it was clearly too large and too rigid to maneuver through the caves. Musk said they would make a video showing the submarine going from point a to b, but never did. Watch these videos of Unsworth both after the rescue and the trial and compare them to Musk's response. It was absolutely sickening.

https://youtu.be/uDP6_4jUmiQ

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/technology-50698294

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHJZGcj5KHU

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by adamisom »

Karsteski wrote: post #62
bambax wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Musk showed his true character.

It was an asshole thing to say, but I don't think someone being an asshole means that that moment defines their "true character"

Yeah if every harmful thing constituted the "true character" of someone, we'd all be sinners. Granted, if a lot of harm is done, then it might be fair. (Cue the knee-jerk "isn't dragging a hero's name through the mud a lot of harm?"; I don't know, can you tell me what wouldn't qualify as a "lot of harm" under your worldview? Everyone knows the diver was a hero and if you have evidence his life is affected, pls share)

It's just negativity bias; considering the negative to be "more true" or accurate than the positive.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by LegitShady »

bwship wrote: post #68
LegitShady wrote: post #36

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capable != required If he seriously proposes to help and is told to stick it where he hurts, he can choose whether or not to respond with 'tact and self control' but he isn't required to. The diver is the one without tact and self control, but you slag elon for responding in kind instead of the diver. You expect more from musk but musk owes you nothing - not even tact. He doesn't have to accept abuse from someone els…

Musk is still a dick for the comment. He was butt hurt, because his stoner idea of a tiny submarine was met with the "umm, WTF" that it should by actual people saving the kids lives.

I don't disagree but he wasn't a dick in a vacuum - someone was a dick to him, he was a dick back. Your expectations that musk should just take it on the chin without responding in kind are your expectations and honestly nothing to do with musk. This guy was rude to him, he was rude back, you're disappointed in musk, musk doesn't care, you're still fixated on the response rather than what set the tone - the original rude message.

I don't see why musk should care about being nice to someone who started off being rude.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by detaro »

LegitShady wrote: post #74
bwship wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Musk is still a dick for the comment. He was butt hurt, because his stoner idea of a tiny submarine was met with the "umm, WTF" that it should by actual people saving the kids lives.

I don't disagree but he wasn't a dick in a vacuum - someone was a dick to him, he was a dick back. Your expectations that musk should just take it on the chin without responding in kind are your expectations and honestly nothing to do with musk. This guy was rude to him, he was rude back, you're disappointed in musk, musk doesn't care, you're still fixated on the response rather than what set the tone - the original…

Yes, that was his excuse, "back home calling someone a pedo was just a normal insult", but Musk did a bit more than "was rude back". Hiring a PI to dig up dirt? Sending further lies about the guy to media?

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by lamontcg »

thatguy0900 wrote: post #35
dingusthemingus wrote: post #19

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Yea this sounded pretty strange to me, Im aware sedation slows breathing down, so some oxygen can be saved if human attached to tank is not hyperventilating for hours, Pretty crazy the kids were sedated and hands bound and feet tied!

The divers said why, they had previously rescued two adults from that cave in a much easier tunnel, but the adults panicked underwater and ripped their masks off. The people you're saving can easily kill you too if they hit your mask.

Yeah just in Open Water rescue course you learn that people will panic and reject all their gear, including the regulator that could keep them alive, and will start to rip your gear off and try to take you with them.

One of those things that you have to consider, particularly if you don't know the person that you're trying to rescue is at what point you're basically going to wind up fighting back and possibly intentionally drown the other person so that you survive. If the person is on the surface of the water and you have working scuba gear this can be as simple though as just descending and they'll stop trying to kill you. I've thought about the problem if you're in a cave and someone is nearly OOA and panicking and what would have to happen, but that's unlikely enough of a situation that hopefully I'll never have to worry about it.

Its real obvious to me why the kids were strapped down and pumped full of happy drugs.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by VistaBrokeMyPC »

dingusthemingus wrote: post #19
mongol wrote: post #13

What effect did the sedation have? Were they still conscious?

Yea this sounded pretty strange to me, Im aware sedation slows breathing down, so some oxygen can be saved if human attached to tank is not hyperventilating for hours, Pretty crazy the kids were sedated and hands bound and feet tied!

The purpose of the ketamine vs other analgesics is you don't need to intubate or monitor respiratory system nearly as much as you do for say, propofol.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by goldenkey »

gameswithgo wrote: post #28
ianlevesque wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think so, towards the end the diver stated: > If need be, we were to give them another shot of ketamine in case they were waking up.

being on ketamine while trapped in a cave would be ammmmaaaaazzziinnngg (ly terrifying)

There's a difference between a k-hole and being sedated..
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