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Barry Diller: The movie business as before is finished and will never come back

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Re: Barry Diller: The movie business as before is finished and will never come back

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Post by roymurdock »

handrous wrote: post #23
afavour wrote: post #13

The actual quote (with my emphasis added): > "The movie business *as before* is finished and will never come back." And I think that's correct. Superhero blockbusters taking over all box office receipts was one thing, but now those blockbusters are becoming deeply tied to streaming services like Disney+ that's bringing content into people's homes and away from movie theatres. I won't mourn movie theatres (though I ho…

> I won't mourn movie theatres (though I hope places emulate the likes of Alamo Drafthouse and do dinner, drinks and let us make an evening out of watching a movie), but I do worry about things like movie financing. It feels the industry has split in two, either making super-expensive superhero blockbusters or super cheap indie films. I'm informed by my cinemaphile friend that exactly this phenomenon has been much re…

Can you recommend some good movies from last/this year? Have been digging into old movies to get my fix recently thinking there wasn't anything good out.

Re: Barry Diller: The movie business as before is finished and will never come back

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Post by ffggvv »

afavour wrote: post #13

The actual quote (with my emphasis added): > "The movie business *as before* is finished and will never come back." And I think that's correct. Superhero blockbusters taking over all box office receipts was one thing, but now those blockbusters are becoming deeply tied to streaming services like Disney+ that's bringing content into people's homes and away from movie theatres. I won't mourn movie theatres (though I ho…

what if i told you that you can just ignore them. just like you probably don’t listen to taylor swift despite her being popular

Re: Barry Diller: The movie business as before is finished and will never come back

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

adventured wrote: post #30
iab wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Now now, let’s not be too hasty to make that determination until we’ve seen what fast & furious 9 has to offer

No need to wait. It's really bad. The last King Kong (vs Godzilla) was at least silly amusing to watch (once). F9 is just bad across the board, there was nothing enjoyable about it, the formula has now jumped the shark twice (the last Fast movie was the first jumping of the shark). The Fast franchise is in the guard rail, the race is over.

> the formula has now jumped the shark twice

Maybe we can rename the trope to some sort of car-based hijinxs? I want to say "launched a car into space", but that's probably going to annoy Tesla fans.

Re: Barry Diller: The movie business as before is finished and will never come back

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Post by js8 »

sigzero wrote: post #25
afavour wrote: post #13

The actual quote (with my emphasis added): > "The movie business *as before* is finished and will never come back." And I think that's correct. Superhero blockbusters taking over all box office receipts was one thing, but now those blockbusters are becoming deeply tied to streaming services like Disney+ that's bringing content into people's homes and away from movie theatres. I won't mourn movie theatres (though I ho…

I will mourn movie theaters. Some shows are just 100% better in that environment.

I won't. I am from Czechia and maybe the culture here was different, but it used to be that movie theaters were somewhat like a normal theater, where you are supposed to be mostly quiet, behave, and not eat and litter during the show.

But modern multiplexes have changed that etiquette, and it's hard for me to stand it. And the advertisements...

Re: Barry Diller: The movie business as before is finished and will never come back

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Post by DullBlueDot »

roymurdock wrote: post #41
handrous wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I won't mourn movie theatres (though I hope places emulate the likes of Alamo Drafthouse and do dinner, drinks and let us make an evening out of watching a movie), but I do worry about things like movie financing. It feels the industry has split in two, either making super-expensive superhero blockbusters or super cheap indie films. I'm informed by my cinemaphile friend that exactly this phenomenon has been much re…

Can you recommend some good movies from last/this year? Have been digging into old movies to get my fix recently thinking there wasn't anything good out.

I highly recommend the In/Frame/Out YouTube channel for dissections of good indie and older classic movies. His year-end lists are always satisfying. The Scottish accent is the cherry on top.

Re: Barry Diller: The movie business as before is finished and will never come back

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Post by toast0 »

_trampeltier wrote: post #14
sharken wrote: post #8

The business of running movie theatres is what he is talking about and it's certainly changing. In Denmark the movies Godzilla vs. Kong, Nomadland and Black Widow will not be shown in major cinemas. The reason is that Warner Bros. and Disney (Marvel) have either shortened the exclusivity period (Warner Bros) or set the streaming premiere at the same day the movie airs in cinemas (Disney). The core of the issue is tha…

I'm a cinema guy, go to cinema about once a week. But to be honest, nobody misses movies like Godzilla vs. Kong. I think one of the worst movies ever.

If you think Godzilla vs Kong was one of the worst movies ever, I don't think you've watched very many movies.

I'd put The Wickerman (either version), The Fountain, and The Final Countdown (1980, nothing to do with the song, sadly) as easily worse than Godzilla vs Kong, and that's just off the top of my head.

It's certainly not a great movie, but it's well in-line with what you would expect from the title; slightly plausible plot, big monsters fighting in cities, trademark roar. Nowhere near the best movies, but strongly in the middle.

Re: Barry Diller: The movie business as before is finished and will never come back

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Post by spywaregorilla »

afavour wrote: post #13

The actual quote (with my emphasis added): > "The movie business *as before* is finished and will never come back." And I think that's correct. Superhero blockbusters taking over all box office receipts was one thing, but now those blockbusters are becoming deeply tied to streaming services like Disney+ that's bringing content into people's homes and away from movie theatres. I won't mourn movie theatres (though I ho…

> It makes me feel like a grouch to complain about the uber-popular, widely loved thing but this intertwined superhero universe exhausts me. I don't want to have to watch three previous movies and two TV shows to fully enjoy the movie that's in front of me. So I watch a lot more limited series TV instead... and maybe that's just fine?

To me, this is like complaining that you don't want to have to read the Fellowship of the Ring to fully enjoy the Return of the King.

Re: Barry Diller: The movie business as before is finished and will never come back

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Post by MrBuddyCasino »

ilamont wrote: post #4

”I used to be in the movie business where you made something really because you cared about it," he said, noting that popular reception mattered more than anything else. What arrogance.

Also its such horse shit. Surprised someone like him said something like that. Nothing much has come from this "l'art pour l'art" approach, because as it turns out you need to make money from films to keep the industry running, first and foremost. When you have a large industry, ideally locally concentrated, you also have a large talent pool of the best of the best actors, directors, writers etc. Sometimes this then results in art, but usually not.

If you don't have a large talent pool fuelled by financial prosperity, you lack the prerequisites to create works of the highest quality.

Re: Barry Diller: The movie business as before is finished and will never come back

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Post by JKCalhoun »

afavour wrote: post #13

The actual quote (with my emphasis added): > "The movie business *as before* is finished and will never come back." And I think that's correct. Superhero blockbusters taking over all box office receipts was one thing, but now those blockbusters are becoming deeply tied to streaming services like Disney+ that's bringing content into people's homes and away from movie theatres. I won't mourn movie theatres (though I ho…

Also quote:

> "These streaming services have been making something that they call 'movies,' " he said. "They ain't movies. They are some weird algorithmic process that has created things that last 100 minutes or so."

Funny. That would be my description of the block buster action films since "Raiders of the Lost Ark".

Re: Barry Diller: The movie business as before is finished and will never come back

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Post by ghaff »

iamacyborg wrote: post #21
afavour wrote: post #13

The actual quote (with my emphasis added): > "The movie business *as before* is finished and will never come back." And I think that's correct. Superhero blockbusters taking over all box office receipts was one thing, but now those blockbusters are becoming deeply tied to streaming services like Disney+ that's bringing content into people's homes and away from movie theatres. I won't mourn movie theatres (though I ho…

> It makes me feel like a grouch to complain about the uber-popular, widely loved thing but this intertwined superhero universe exhausts me. I don't want to have to watch three previous movies and two TV shows to fully enjoy the movie that's in front of me. They’ve also just become quite formulaic and as a result, boring.

Reputedly at least in part because of the increased importance of non-English speaking markets, even the better action movies are so dominated by long action sequences that they really detract for me.

And to the parent point, on top of that, I'm now expected to understand at least some of the intricacies of a complex movie/TV universe that I don't really care that deeply about.

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