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Post by josteink »

regularfry wrote: post #140
helsinkiandrew wrote: post #132

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I hate YouTube ads and do my best to block them where I can, but let’s not forget that YouTube is serving a billion hours of video a day, which costs. If you don’t want ads to appear on your videos, you can host the videos on your own website and pay for the data or use another video service. Neither are likely to give the streaming performance or audience you’d get with YouTube.

They've also dramatically increased the proportion and intrusiveness of those ads over the last year, taking advantage of a near-monopoly position and a captive audience.

> They've also dramatically increased the proportion and intrusiveness of those ads over the last year, taking advantage of a near-monopoly position and a captive audience.

Agreed.

But they didn’t do this until after providing you with the option to pay for ad-free.

If ads bother you that much really, just put up and pay for it. Your problem will be solved across all your machines, devices, phones, tablets and TVs in less than a minute.

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Post by knorker »

Chris2048 wrote: post #160
max46 wrote: post #153

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It's called Youtube Premium and the vast majority of people of the internet made it very clear they will never pay for it even if the ads are driving them crazy. Youtubers also get far more money from premium views than normal views. Ironically, most of the complains people have with youtube are derived directly or indirectly from the fact that the platform is ad-supported. Youtube doesn't care that your video is off…

If YT demonetizes you, do you still get money from premium viewers?

I don't have a reference for you, but when I last researched this the answer was "yes".

Now, that of course doesn't apply if a copyright holder is claiming your ad revenue. But my researched back then is that yes, it does mean you still get paid for "advertiser-unfriendly" content.

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Post by nathanyz »

duxup wrote: post #7

I wonder at what point we as internet users will decide that we're willing to pay for services in order to maintain more control? In the meantime I sympathize with folks who in a way have ground rules changed on them, but then again were using a free service where they were the product... The internet is a weird place where we demand everything be free as just a baseline rule, and then complain when the product that…

This is a super important point. We as users control how we are treated on the Internet. We can choose to pay for content, or we can choose to exchange our time, data, buying habits, psychographics, etc, etc, etc in return for "free" services.

The choice is ours...Pay or barter? Barter our time watching ads, or pay money that we earned elsewhere.

Disclaimer: Founder of YouTube alternative where site owners who are tired of exchanging their traffic, and user data for free video hosting can pay affordable pricing just like they do for their web host, database host, and other services.

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Post by knorker »

lostmsu wrote: post #137
Crash0v3rid3 wrote: post #112

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How about we stop pushing these alternatives that ensure creators never get paid? It’s hard work to make content, many channels are run full time. I know people hate ads, and if that’s the case, just pay for Premium.

Does premium fee go to content authors?

Like with ad revenue, it's a split between content creator and Google.

They're being secretive about exactly how that split works.

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Post by freeopinion »

throwaway316943 wrote: post #173
freeopinion wrote: post #163

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The original submission here is related to solvespace. Why would solvespace want to have a bigger audience for these videos than just the people who visit their site? And why couldn't they meet the streaming needs of that audience just as well as youtube? If you are trying to reach a larger and larger audience beyond your own abilities to stream, it sounds like you yourself are advertising. So you are annoyed that th…

Personally I’d miss the discoverability that YouTube provides. Actually I miss it already since they nerfed their algorithm. Maybe we should be building better directories and searches?

I'm guessing your use case is different. Solvespace doesn't need youtube for discoverability of these videos. These are not ad videos. They are tutorials. So why not host them on the same site as you host the software downloads?

Discoverability is good for advertising. It seems odd that people complain about ads on a service they use for advertising.

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Post by flaque »

dilap wrote: post #41

Andrew Kelley of Zig also moved away from YouTube because of forced ads ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjz6xNO63mI ) YouTube is an amazing collection of knowledge, but it's unfortunate that it's in the hands of an entity whose primary goal and motivation is avarice. A degradation of the experience over time seems inevitable. How to organize human endeavors in a way that captures the innovation and superbly focused…

Somewhat of a plug (apologies), but we're bootstrapping an open platform for video on top of RSS to solve this problem.

It can play videos on (most) podcasting apps people already have on their phones. Here's an example: https://evan.streambus.com/rss/main.xml (try putting that into your podcasting app)

We make a publishing tool for it with a linear/superhuman-like interface that's free to use. Since it's just RSS, it's fundamentally open: if you want to use a different tool, or roll your own, you can do so without losing your audience. And since it's a podcast, you can piggy-back off of an already thriving ecosystem of apps, tools, distribution channels, and monetization strategies.

If you watch videos on RSS, and the app you're using puts ads on the videos, you can just use a different app. And if the video creator wants to put ads on their videos; the money is at least going to them, and not giving a 45% cut to one of the wealthiest companies in the world.

It's a bit early, but if you'd like to try it, send me an email: evan @ streambus dot com, or fill out the thing here: https://streambus.com/

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Post by criddell »

abacadaba wrote: post #130
fouric wrote: post #125

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> How would it work with not creating an account? Notice that they said "yet another account" - I'm pretty sure that they're not objecting to the idea of creating a single account for the micropayments service, but instead creating a separate account for each individual service that they could instead use micropayments for. > A good password manager can make creating an account almost effortless. Maybe that's part of…

Now that you mention it though, there was some service i saw ads for that generates a new cc for each use. i forget the name maybe some here works there :) There is the privacy aspect too. Maybe I don't want [big sketchy data] to be able to buy my CC purchases and see know which creators i support.

Apple Pay does this. Merchants get a token which looks like a credit card number but isn't. If you are using an Apple Credit Card, then the processor (Goldman Sachs) is not allowed to use your purchase data in that way.

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Post by sdenton4 »

maccard wrote: post #172
Chris2048 wrote: post #158

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What are the costs involved in hosting for a single 10 minute 720p video?

Assuming it's 50MB compressed, about 0.1c per month to store it, 0.4c per view for bandwidth, plus cpu cost to stream it(unsure of how much this costs), plus transcoding costs on upload.(based on gcp storage costs) Then there's also the non-dollar cost of the access to the very sizeable YouTube audience that google curates. Comparing the cost of the actual hosting is silly though. Nobody thinks the value of hosting t…

...and then all the complexity starts. You really want to store many transcodes, and send a transcode appropriate for the combination of device and bandwidth. No point wasting money on bandwidth sending a 4k video to a small smartphone on a dicey mobile connection, after all.

Is the video served from some datacenter in Germany, no matter where the user is? You can cut bandwidth costs and improve latency by caching videos closer to the users, at the cost of handling all of the caching complexity and business arrangements.

If video 6-of-15 in the tutorial series suddenly goes viral, are you on the hook for outlandish bandwidth charges, or does your site hit a quota and just die?

Overall, it's VERY understandable that businesses outsource the complexity of video hosting, based on the engineering complexity alone.

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Post by michaelmrose »

Crash0v3rid3 wrote: post #112
MikusR wrote: post #103

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https://vancedapp.com/

How about we stop pushing these alternatives that ensure creators never get paid? It’s hard work to make content, many channels are run full time. I know people hate ads, and if that’s the case, just pay for Premium.

If they please they can easily make content premium only instead of relying on people's willingness to see ads. If people can with a few clicks see no ads then 10-25% of people will probably do so while the majority continue to watch ads. Content isn't premium only because they have already run the numbers and they get more from the majority that watch the ads than they would by putting it behind a paywall.
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