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Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by phkahler »

eropple wrote: post #25
clord wrote: post #8

What are the per-viewer costs these days to host video files on a plain web server? Perhaps with a CDN?

Video is the sort of thing that benefits significantly from economies of scale. Encoding and bandwidth costs are your two biggest factors. Encoding has to be done once -- well, once per rendition you ship, more on that in a second -- but bandwidth costs are, modulo volume discounts, very linear , and thus a direct per-viewer-minute line item. Those bandwidth costs typically depend on your desired quality of video (bi…

>> but bandwidth costs are, modulo volume discounts, very linear, and thus a direct per-viewer-minute line item

We need something like bit torrent for video, where the peers send chunks biased toward the beginning of the video. This would spread the bandwidth costs to the viewers. Sure, the main site might be constantly streaming 1 or 2 full streams, but that can be fairly low bandwidth.

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Post by ghaff »

dilap wrote: post #41

Andrew Kelley of Zig also moved away from YouTube because of forced ads ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjz6xNO63mI ) YouTube is an amazing collection of knowledge, but it's unfortunate that it's in the hands of an entity whose primary goal and motivation is avarice. A degradation of the experience over time seems inevitable. How to organize human endeavors in a way that captures the innovation and superbly focused…

Consumers need to be able and willing to pay money rather than renting their eyeballs. (And creators need to be willing to pay for hosting/discovery.) If YouTube could make more money as a gated subscription site that charged for uploads and, say, $100/year to access, they'd be more than happy to do so.

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Post by fabianhjr »

jonpurdy wrote: post #72
fabianhjr wrote: post #23

I use IPFS and host my media (mainly photography) on my domain. (With cloudflare as a IPFS gateway in case a visitor doesn't use IPFS) Hosting cost: $0. Some details: https://fabian.social/posts/2020-11-07-ipfs-blogging.html Example: https://fabian.social/photography/2021-01-15-incidentes-vial...

I’ve briefly tried hosting with IPFS in the past and always found it to be super slow/not working at all. If one has a super low traffic site and is already hosting themselves (whether on a home computer or VPS), what’s the benefit of IPFS? My understanding is that if a file isn’t popular, it’ll be served by your own IPFS node/pulled from your local web server, which seems redundant to me. (I totally get the use case…

My main argument (even for low traffic sites) is the following:

> Centralized personal sites/blogs become fragile and expensive while a decent(ralized) alternative (like what is in use here) is anti-fragile and inexpensive.

> The only costs are the domain registration and running my own computer (where the IPFS daemon takes less than 1% of my cpu usage and 200 MB of memory) and some bandwidth.

> The more popular something is, the more peers replicate it.

> As such more bandwidth and redundant fetch locations become available that could get the content to you (the reader) at lower latencies. (It is challenging to do a hug of death / slashdotting on such sites/blogs)

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by mavsman »

briefcomment wrote: post #61
dilap wrote: post #41

Andrew Kelley of Zig also moved away from YouTube because of forced ads ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjz6xNO63mI ) YouTube is an amazing collection of knowledge, but it's unfortunate that it's in the hands of an entity whose primary goal and motivation is avarice. A degradation of the experience over time seems inevitable. How to organize human endeavors in a way that captures the innovation and superbly focused…

> forced ads Recently, some people were trying to tell me that ads are entirely controlled by the video uploader, when I brought up some videos that clearly had way more ads than any content creator would reasonably allow.

I once swore to myself that I'd never monetize videos. Now my small-time channel has ads before my videos and I don't even have enough watch-time (yet) to monetize them to grab the pennies that could be mine.

Once I do have the watch-time (4000 hours per year) to monetize, I will feel sleazy about it but I don't think it would make any difference to viewers, I'll just be taking the pennies I deserve.

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Post by duxup »

briefcomment wrote: post #69
abacadaba wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the main holdup i think is truly effortless and secure, private, and widely accepted micropayments. there's plenty of stuff i'd be willing to pay for if it didn't involve creating yet another account and giving them my credit card info.

I wonder if Bitcoin Cash or something similar can fit that void. It's already possible to send cents for reasonable fees.

As an end user, and even imagining receiving payments, I'd be annoyed with a micropayment service that has some sort of conversion of what I'm paying into something else and then ... who knows how it goes from there...

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Post by mavhc »

briefcomment wrote: post #61
dilap wrote: post #41

Andrew Kelley of Zig also moved away from YouTube because of forced ads ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjz6xNO63mI ) YouTube is an amazing collection of knowledge, but it's unfortunate that it's in the hands of an entity whose primary goal and motivation is avarice. A degradation of the experience over time seems inevitable. How to organize human endeavors in a way that captures the innovation and superbly focused…

> forced ads Recently, some people were trying to tell me that ads are entirely controlled by the video uploader, when I brought up some videos that clearly had way more ads than any content creator would reasonably allow.

It's as if Google doesn't want to host the world's videos for free

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by rchaud »

TheChaplain wrote: post #48

I understand and a sympathize with his opinion, at the same time the platform must be financed somehow, no? Yeah I know Google are rich but still, from a technical standpoint YT is pretty damn good. I've never had any issues watching videos or streaming, and instantly served in EU, Asia and the US. For that and the massive selection of content I'd say it's worth it for me.

Yes, the platform must be financed somehow. However, that 'somehow' didn't seem to be an issue for 15 years.

A video series about parametric 2d/3d CAD is not going to do Logan Paul numbers, so what merit is there to jam ads into it anyway?

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by EugeneG »

danparsonson wrote: post #30
RL_Quine wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Evil company decides not to take a loss on hosting probably zettabytes of video? It's really hard to paint youtube as the villain here and keep a straight face.

"Poor giant video hosting company has to play multiple ads before, during and after every video otherwise they go broke" doesn't really work either. Having the most content available to show viewers has made them the de facto video sharing website - videos freely contributed by people who wanted to share something with the world have helped to put YT in the position where they are basically a monopoly and they are no…

Not a monopoly there’s a ton of video sharing sites - like I guess peertube? Creators can walk away and bring their business elsewhere, as he did.

YouTube happens to be very good at advertising your videos and driving you viewers (just like, say, NBC was good at bringing viewers to Seinfeld).

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by upofadown »

crazygringo wrote: post #50
input_sh wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mentioned in the first minute here: https://peertube.linuxrocks.online/videos/watch/6b779810-671... He had no intention to ever monetise the channel, but with YouTube's ToS update he had to agree that YouTube can monetise his channel even if he doesn't want it to. Considering he's basically forced to serve ads he has no control over and he does not earn a cent from it, I'd say "lost sovereignty" holds true.

What does he expect for a site that serves his videos for free , not to mention recommends them to people as well to get a wider audience? "Sovereignty" is a bizarre word here. It's a business deal . Nobody's ever "sovereign" in any exchange, it's either a good deal or not. If he wants to pay for hosting himself, then go ahead, but no need to act like it's a question of "sovereignty". Nobody's a king here.

The business deal used to be good. Now there is a sovereignty problem. The free part is not relevant here. We can't help that Google is having problems monetizing a service by first providing an acceptable service and then later changing the terms of the deal. Perhaps their business model is unrealistic.
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