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Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by briefcomment »

dilap wrote: post #41

Andrew Kelley of Zig also moved away from YouTube because of forced ads ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjz6xNO63mI ) YouTube is an amazing collection of knowledge, but it's unfortunate that it's in the hands of an entity whose primary goal and motivation is avarice. A degradation of the experience over time seems inevitable. How to organize human endeavors in a way that captures the innovation and superbly focused…

> forced ads

Recently, some people were trying to tell me that ads are entirely controlled by the video uploader, when I brought up some videos that clearly had way more ads than any content creator would reasonably allow.

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by TheRealDunkirk »

duxup wrote: post #7

I wonder at what point we as internet users will decide that we're willing to pay for services in order to maintain more control? In the meantime I sympathize with folks who in a way have ground rules changed on them, but then again were using a free service where they were the product... The internet is a weird place where we demand everything be free as just a baseline rule, and then complain when the product that…

> I wonder at what point we as internet users will decide that we're willing to pay for services in order to maintain more control?

You can already do this at Vimeo. I guess we should look at how well they are doing with that. (That's not leading; I don't know.)

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by fabianhjr »

robjan wrote: post #57
fabianhjr wrote: post #23

I use IPFS and host my media (mainly photography) on my domain. (With cloudflare as a IPFS gateway in case a visitor doesn't use IPFS) Hosting cost: $0. Some details: https://fabian.social/posts/2020-11-07-ipfs-blogging.html Example: https://fabian.social/photography/2021-01-15-incidentes-vial...

There's a small cost of keeping your computer on 24/7 if you aren't using a pinning service, but it can be pretty cheap if you use something like a raspberry pi

Cloudflare does some caching, in my experience up to a week, and pinata.cloud (pinning service) has a great free tier and API.

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by iaml »

Filligree wrote: post #44
abacadaba wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the main holdup i think is truly effortless and secure, private, and widely accepted micropayments. there's plenty of stuff i'd be willing to pay for if it didn't involve creating yet another account and giving them my credit card info.

There once was such a system —Google Contributor. It was supposed to be expanded into a full micropayment system once there was a baseline market activity to set the prices by, using the price of ads to bootstrap. It didn’t work, obviously, but mostly because people just don’t want to pay. Not even if a typical cost is single digit dollars per month, or less.

>It didn’t work, obviously, but mostly because people just don’t want to pay.

Are you sure about that? I reckon a lot of people didn't know it existed.

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by phkahler »

crazygringo wrote: post #50
input_sh wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mentioned in the first minute here: https://peertube.linuxrocks.online/videos/watch/6b779810-671... He had no intention to ever monetise the channel, but with YouTube's ToS update he had to agree that YouTube can monetise his channel even if he doesn't want it to. Considering he's basically forced to serve ads he has no control over and he does not earn a cent from it, I'd say "lost sovereignty" holds true.

What does he expect for a site that serves his videos for free , not to mention recommends them to people as well to get a wider audience? "Sovereignty" is a bizarre word here. It's a business deal . Nobody's ever "sovereign" in any exchange, it's either a good deal or not. If he wants to pay for hosting himself, then go ahead, but no need to act like it's a question of "sovereignty". Nobody's a king here.

>> What does he expect for a site that serves his videos for free, not to mention recommends them to people as well to get a wider audience?

Lets turn that around. YouTube is a huge content provider that has 100 percent of their content provided FOR FREE and they feel that they can "monetize" it any way they see fit. There needs to be some balance. If enough people leave like this, there will be a credible competitor to YouTube and they'll never get those people back. Better yet, self hosting and federated services will start to become a thing and that could be an existential threat to Google itself.

But sure, they are free to do what they like on their platform. Doesn't mean it's always the best thing to do.

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by exhilaration »

izacus wrote: post #40
input_sh wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mentioned in the first minute here: https://peertube.linuxrocks.online/videos/watch/6b779810-671... He had no intention to ever monetise the channel, but with YouTube's ToS update he had to agree that YouTube can monetise his channel even if he doesn't want it to. Considering he's basically forced to serve ads he has no control over and he does not earn a cent from it, I'd say "lost sovereignty" holds true.

Was his expectation that YouTube would cover his hosting, encoding and bandwidth costs for free forever? I wonder what his backup plan is and where will he host the videos now. (It's still kind of wierd that YouTube doesn't support simply paying for their hosting.)

I can't speak for him, but yes, I was (foolishly) expecting free YouTube hosting forever without ads because that's what they've always provided. I would think that enough YouTube content makers opt into ads and monetization to cover the costs for those of us that don't want it.

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Post by briefcomment »

abacadaba wrote: post #13
duxup wrote: post #7

I wonder at what point we as internet users will decide that we're willing to pay for services in order to maintain more control? In the meantime I sympathize with folks who in a way have ground rules changed on them, but then again were using a free service where they were the product... The internet is a weird place where we demand everything be free as just a baseline rule, and then complain when the product that…

the main holdup i think is truly effortless and secure, private, and widely accepted micropayments. there's plenty of stuff i'd be willing to pay for if it didn't involve creating yet another account and giving them my credit card info.

I wonder if Bitcoin Cash or something similar can fit that void. It's already possible to send cents for reasonable fees.

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Post by wyldfire »

duxup wrote: post #7

I wonder at what point we as internet users will decide that we're willing to pay for services in order to maintain more control? In the meantime I sympathize with folks who in a way have ground rules changed on them, but then again were using a free service where they were the product... The internet is a weird place where we demand everything be free as just a baseline rule, and then complain when the product that…

> I wonder at what point we as internet users will decide that we're willing to pay for services in order to maintain more control?

The non-free service will always be a smaller player IMO. But if there were a big enough bundle, people might see the value. A not-too-many-USD-per-year Youtube+LinkedIn+Facebook+Twitter web suite would be feasible IMO. Just imagine if it were seen as a public good and countries could fund it with a comparatively small per capita investment.

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