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Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by phkahler »

criddell wrote: post #31
abacadaba wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the main holdup i think is truly effortless and secure, private, and widely accepted micropayments. there's plenty of stuff i'd be willing to pay for if it didn't involve creating yet another account and giving them my credit card info.

How would it work with not creating an account? Low-friction payment methods are here. Apple and Google Pay for example work pretty well. But if I pay for access to something today, how do you know it's me when I return a year later and want access again? A good password manager can make creating an account almost effortless. Maybe that's part of the solution.

>> Apple and Google Pay for example work pretty well. But if I pay for access to something today, how do you know it's me when I return a year later and want access again?

Yet another reason why identity verification by default would make the net better. No spam, easy payments, elimination of middle-men for many use cases.

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by analognoise »

duxup wrote: post #33
Workaccount2 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably never. I'd venture that the overwhelming majority of users on the internet do not even understand the concept of the ad model, much less the downsides. To them the internet and everything on it is free (and what isn't free is just greed by the owner) and ads are these annoying thing that crop up everywhere.

I fear you may be correct. Or maybe even that people just don't care about privacy enough to do a thing about it :(

Sadly I think it's both: everything is free right, and what's the big deal with this privacy stuff anyway?

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by serf »

_wldu wrote: post #4
clipradiowallet wrote: post #2

Some examples of what the OP means by "lost sovereignty" would be useful. I assume he means ability to monetize how he wants, or to avoid algorithmic claims against his work etc....but who knows - the author does not explain.

In general, when we use someone's platform to publish, we give up control. People continually rediscover this fact. If you want more control, publish on a standard website on a standard Linux machine.

>In general, when we use someone's platform to publish, we give up control. People continually rediscover this fact.

In broad strokes : you're right.

For the sake of a bit more nuance, i'd like to add that 'the control' isn't just given up by the user. 'The control' is promised by providers, and then slowly dwindled until some threshold is met where users are lost to competitors.

YouTube became popular because it gave creators just enough independence, while handling the technical stuff for them.

Now that the technical part is becoming increasingly easy to deal with, it stands to reason that YouTube must become more flexible, or lose market share.

Will G/YT be flexible enough to keep everyone happy enough to exist within their walled garden? Personally, I don't think so -- and people like the parent article are proving that point by packing up and taking their data elsewhere.

Discoverability is becoming less and less of an issue due to the pervasiveness of many different types and styles of social media; IMO that's YT's big advantage and I feel with anti-creator stuff like this stuff, along with YTs recommender being one of the biggest industry in-jokes on the planet -- they really squandered that advantage.

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by ghaff »

api wrote: post #46
weinzierl wrote: post #42

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I'd argue the risk aspect is what prevents more people from self-hosting than the actual cost. At least it is for me: The idea of waking up to a bill of a few thousand dollars is chilling. And then there is also this conflict of objectives: With an ad-supported platform more popularity means more money, with self-hosting more popularity is less money. Can't have your cake and eat it too.

Self-host at places like OVH or Hetzner that bill by pipe bandwidth rather than gigabytes transferred. Your site may get slow if it gets a hug of death but you won't get a stupid high bill. You can also get 2-4X the compute and RAM for pennies (comparatively). If you are using AWS, Google, Oracle, or Azure and are just using VMs, you are getting horribly ripped off. There is absolutely zero advantage to using these f…

S3 can make sense for lightweight hosting of media files. I pay less than I would for a VPS. That said, if I were starting from scratch, I'd probably use Backblaze B2 because I believe they let you set hard quotas.

But, yes, in general for an individual hobby site, I'd choose an option that resulted in a hug of death rather than a big bill.

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by fiddlerwoaroof »

Filligree wrote: post #44
abacadaba wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the main holdup i think is truly effortless and secure, private, and widely accepted micropayments. there's plenty of stuff i'd be willing to pay for if it didn't involve creating yet another account and giving them my credit card info.

There once was such a system —Google Contributor. It was supposed to be expanded into a full micropayment system once there was a baseline market activity to set the prices by, using the price of ads to bootstrap. It didn’t work, obviously, but mostly because people just don’t want to pay. Not even if a typical cost is single digit dollars per month, or less.

I like Blendle for the occasional paywalled news article I really want to read. But, yeah, mostly I just bounce if something’s not free and, I think people need to be honest with themselves about the consequences of removing ads from the internet: it’ll be significantly harder for new sites to both be profitable and attract an audience and they’ll have to choose between giving away unmonetized content to attract people and putting content behind some sort of paywall so that they can cover their operational costs.

We’re already starting to see this model with Substack and Medium, and I’m not sure if it’s a better model, or just a different one.

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by ipsi »

criddell wrote: post #31
abacadaba wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the main holdup i think is truly effortless and secure, private, and widely accepted micropayments. there's plenty of stuff i'd be willing to pay for if it didn't involve creating yet another account and giving them my credit card info.

How would it work with not creating an account? Low-friction payment methods are here. Apple and Google Pay for example work pretty well. But if I pay for access to something today, how do you know it's me when I return a year later and want access again? A good password manager can make creating an account almost effortless. Maybe that's part of the solution.

Maybe browsers should looking at adding a "create account" API or something? Similar to "Login with Apple ID", but instead password managers could hook into it and create an account semi-automatically. This could also allow automation of "user+sitename@domain.com"-style rules.

I know that creating an account isn't adding _much_ friction, but there is some and I could see myself appreciating this.

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by robjan »

fabianhjr wrote: post #23

I use IPFS and host my media (mainly photography) on my domain. (With cloudflare as a IPFS gateway in case a visitor doesn't use IPFS) Hosting cost: $0. Some details: https://fabian.social/posts/2020-11-07-ipfs-blogging.html Example: https://fabian.social/photography/2021-01-15-incidentes-vial...

There's a small cost of keeping your computer on 24/7 if you aren't using a pinning service, but it can be pretty cheap if you use something like a raspberry pi

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by doublejay1999 »

izacus wrote: post #40
input_sh wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mentioned in the first minute here: https://peertube.linuxrocks.online/videos/watch/6b779810-671... He had no intention to ever monetise the channel, but with YouTube's ToS update he had to agree that YouTube can monetise his channel even if he doesn't want it to. Considering he's basically forced to serve ads he has no control over and he does not earn a cent from it, I'd say "lost sovereignty" holds true.

Was his expectation that YouTube would cover his hosting, encoding and bandwidth costs for free forever? I wonder what his backup plan is and where will he host the videos now. (It's still kind of wierd that YouTube doesn't support simply paying for their hosting.)

this is the shittiest take.

does youtube expect him to keep giving them content free forever ? without contributing to his production costs ?

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by Finnucane »

duxup wrote: post #7

I wonder at what point we as internet users will decide that we're willing to pay for services in order to maintain more control? In the meantime I sympathize with folks who in a way have ground rules changed on them, but then again were using a free service where they were the product... The internet is a weird place where we demand everything be free as just a baseline rule, and then complain when the product that…

Isn't that what commercial streaming services like CuriousityStream and Skillshare are trying to provide?

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by RL_Quine »

marci wrote: post #43
RL_Quine wrote: post #6

It's pretty hard to imagine what people think they gain by "switching" to PeerTube. Beyond idealism, there's not a whole lot going for the platform technically; it isn't peer to peer meaningfully. It would be better to just claim you are paying to self host your videos, which is what the author is doing.

Technically, if I understand correctly, one of the thing going for peertube is that it allows you to survive [insert any popular forum]'s hug of death. Some website don't even handle a surge of connections when it's just text. With peertube, most of the time, you're serving directly from your website, but in case of virality, the video will be distributed across most of the simultaneous viewers.

If the website is "hugged", nobody can reach the page with the javascript to make WebRTC connections. People tend to close the window after they're done watching anyway, which sort of negates the whole concept.
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