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Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by criddell »

abacadaba wrote: post #13
duxup wrote: post #7

I wonder at what point we as internet users will decide that we're willing to pay for services in order to maintain more control? In the meantime I sympathize with folks who in a way have ground rules changed on them, but then again were using a free service where they were the product... The internet is a weird place where we demand everything be free as just a baseline rule, and then complain when the product that…

the main holdup i think is truly effortless and secure, private, and widely accepted micropayments. there's plenty of stuff i'd be willing to pay for if it didn't involve creating yet another account and giving them my credit card info.

How would it work with not creating an account?

Low-friction payment methods are here. Apple and Google Pay for example work pretty well. But if I pay for access to something today, how do you know it's me when I return a year later and want access again?

A good password manager can make creating an account almost effortless. Maybe that's part of the solution.

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by reedjosh »

Centralized ad based services are never in your interest. What you spend your time on matters, so I try to be critical of my browsing habits.

Some sites/services I currently use:

neeva.com

Paid search that I'm liking atm. Feels like I can find stuff again and it's 4 months free.

For video hosting and content I like

Odysee.com

as an ad free decentralized Youtube, but the network effect hasn't quite taken hold yet.

Social I like

peakd.com

as a decentralized blogging and social platform.

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by duxup »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #19
duxup wrote: post #7

I wonder at what point we as internet users will decide that we're willing to pay for services in order to maintain more control? In the meantime I sympathize with folks who in a way have ground rules changed on them, but then again were using a free service where they were the product... The internet is a weird place where we demand everything be free as just a baseline rule, and then complain when the product that…

Probably never. I'd venture that the overwhelming majority of users on the internet do not even understand the concept of the ad model, much less the downsides. To them the internet and everything on it is free (and what isn't free is just greed by the owner) and ads are these annoying thing that crop up everywhere.

I fear you may be correct. Or maybe even that people just don't care about privacy enough to do a thing about it :(

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by serf »

RL_Quine wrote: post #9
elliekelly wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He posted a video[1] about why he left. It sounds like YouTube updated terms of service that required him to allow YouTube to put ads in his videos and he never wanted to monetize his work, he’s making the videos to share information, not to make money for him or anyone else. [1] https://peertube.linuxrocks.online/videos/watch/6b779810-671...

Evil company decides not to take a loss on hosting probably zettabytes of video? It's really hard to paint youtube as the villain here and keep a straight face.

no one called anyone a villain, but most will agree that having the terms of service changed out from under you after you already have hosted content/a social following/an internet 'home' is a pretty shitty thing to experience.

does the means justify the ends? should this be allowed to ensure that the YT bottom line isn't red? I don't know; all I know is that the personal experience of the content creator got to such a negative point that they decided to forego all the benefits of YouTube and host elsewhere -- and that's really the only point that matters.

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by ghaff »

abacadaba wrote: post #13
duxup wrote: post #7

I wonder at what point we as internet users will decide that we're willing to pay for services in order to maintain more control? In the meantime I sympathize with folks who in a way have ground rules changed on them, but then again were using a free service where they were the product... The internet is a weird place where we demand everything be free as just a baseline rule, and then complain when the product that…

the main holdup i think is truly effortless and secure, private, and widely accepted micropayments. there's plenty of stuff i'd be willing to pay for if it didn't involve creating yet another account and giving them my credit card info.

Clay Shirky wrote a couple of decades ago about the problem of mental transaction costs associated with paying a few cents to read an article or consume some other sort of media. I still tend to agree with that. If it were just a technology or network effect problem, I have to believe it would have been solved given how many media payment issues could in principle be solved by micropayments.

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by daptaq »

numpad0 wrote: post #10
duxup wrote: post #7

I wonder at what point we as internet users will decide that we're willing to pay for services in order to maintain more control? In the meantime I sympathize with folks who in a way have ground rules changed on them, but then again were using a free service where they were the product... The internet is a weird place where we demand everything be free as just a baseline rule, and then complain when the product that…

HTTP 402 being left unimplemented only seemed natural to me just a decade ago; today looks an incredibly stupid decision. How things change……

402 is not the issue, the issue is having a payment system that wouldn't just add an implicit dependency on some payment service.

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by reedjosh »

fabianhjr wrote: post #23

I use IPFS and host my media (mainly photography) on my domain. (With cloudflare as a IPFS gateway in case a visitor doesn't use IPFS) Hosting cost: $0. Some details: https://fabian.social/posts/2020-11-07-ipfs-blogging.html Example: https://fabian.social/photography/2021-01-15-incidentes-vial...

Wow, thanks for the example. I've been wanting to do this myself soon.

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by duxup »

abacadaba wrote: post #13
duxup wrote: post #7

I wonder at what point we as internet users will decide that we're willing to pay for services in order to maintain more control? In the meantime I sympathize with folks who in a way have ground rules changed on them, but then again were using a free service where they were the product... The internet is a weird place where we demand everything be free as just a baseline rule, and then complain when the product that…

the main holdup i think is truly effortless and secure, private, and widely accepted micropayments. there's plenty of stuff i'd be willing to pay for if it didn't involve creating yet another account and giving them my credit card info.

I wonder about this often.

I've certainly imagined a central micropayment system that I could just see what is being used, how much, manage it all... but otherwise just use services seamlessly (the traditional cart experience seems a bit jarring in many cases) and still pay the creators for their work .

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by izacus »

input_sh wrote: post #5
clipradiowallet wrote: post #2

Some examples of what the OP means by "lost sovereignty" would be useful. I assume he means ability to monetize how he wants, or to avoid algorithmic claims against his work etc....but who knows - the author does not explain.

Mentioned in the first minute here: https://peertube.linuxrocks.online/videos/watch/6b779810-671... He had no intention to ever monetise the channel, but with YouTube's ToS update he had to agree that YouTube can monetise his channel even if he doesn't want it to. Considering he's basically forced to serve ads he has no control over and he does not earn a cent from it, I'd say "lost sovereignty" holds true.

Was his expectation that YouTube would cover his hosting, encoding and bandwidth costs for free forever? I wonder what his backup plan is and where will he host the videos now.

(It's still kind of wierd that YouTube doesn't support simply paying for their hosting.)

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