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Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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The reasoning you cite is a retcon of the original reasoning that the OP got right. Beyond that, #1 is factually incorrect, Facebook has positive rights that you don't, and #2 almost never holds starting from the realization that you're assuming that profit is inherently wise and that maximizing profit almost always requires the maximization of externatility. So using your rights wisely to your maximum advantage esse…

What "positive rights" does Facebook have? How are you defining value in your last sentence?

Facebook has the right to mobilize several orders of magnitude more resources than the average person, in that sense they have many more positive rights. For example, the positive right to spend a billion dollars.

How value is defined in the last sentence doesn't matter, any way of defining value except total profit generation works. But for the sake of the discussion we can say total happiness.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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In China it is the law that minors have restrictions on playing video games between 10pm and 8am. I suspect that on this forum there would be a mix of opinion about if that is a good idea or not. I mean, personally I think it should be up to parents to manage this, but I can totally see how some would have the opposite opinion about it. I don't think it's totally out of bounds as a concept for government to regulate…

> I have seen plenty of people calling for laws regulating mystery boxes for example on this very forum, and you could have the exact same parental responsibility argument there too.

Although I totally get your point, I think there's a difference between both laws. "Loot box law" would limit what a company (or any legal person) can do, trying to save some physical person (a child) from some kind of harm (addiction) effected from the company.The "gaming law" limits what the physical person can do with their own time.

I understand how a law that limits third-parties (and mostly, companies) is perceived different than a law that limits the self (or invades the responsibilities of the parents inside a family).

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Microsofts decision to require cameras in windows 11 will enable initiatives like this.

>Microsofts decision to require cameras in windows 11 except it's laptop only and only applies to systems sold by OEMs. Speaking of which, when was the last time you saw a laptop that didn't have a webcam? Laptops were pretty common even on low-mid tier laptops from the early 00s. For fun let's also exclude the niche laptops like pinebook or what have you, because I doubt buyers of those laptops need the OEM to pre-i…

> Speaking of which, when was the last time you saw a laptop that didn't have a webcam?

That's just it. It's already extremely common so why would you even need to require it? Who cares about 99% market penetration vs 100%? Consumers? Game devs? No they are fine with 99%. The only actor who cares about the difference is the government.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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I wonder if it's even possible for Chinese citizens to play rouge/nethack.

China is the last rouge world superpower, and also rogue.

Are you discounting that Russia is rogue or a superpower?

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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> In Germany, the government does not trust parents to home-school their children This is to protect children from their parents, this "anti-excessive-gaming" bullshit is directly attacking personal agency! If you have the resources (time, money, teachers etc.) to get your children the same education they would get in a (german) public school you might as well found a private one. This is even incentivized by federal…

> If you have the resources (time, money, teachers etc.) to get your children the same education they would get in a (german) public school you might as well found a private one. Unless Germany's public school education somehow doesn't show its results on tests like PISA then this shouldn't be too difficult to provide to one or two kids. More than that would make it way harder. And I'm sure that if you did try to fou…

> Just an example of the absurd regulations in a different subject: Germany requires a license to stream to more than 500 people and they've actually enforced this on streamers. The license can cost €10k.

This information is outdated and misleading. Since 2020, licenses for public broadcast are only required for broadcasts which, averaged over six months, exceed 20000 viewers and have significant importance for the formation of public and private opinion [1].

Prior to this change, some streamers had indeed been forced to acquire such a license (although there were more conditions than just regularly having 500 viewers). Also, licenses for streamers actually cost around 1000-2500 €, instead of the 10000 € you claimed. In addition, there was an exception for cases where this would be an undue hardship [2]. The regulator basically agreed that this was pretty silly, but that it planned to enforce the law as written (as is its job), until it was changed (which it has been).

[1] (german) § 54 MStV, https://www.gesetze-bayern.de/Content/Document/MStV-54

[2] (german) https://t3n.de/news/livestreams-rundfunklizenz-1175321/

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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This verification process exists in Europe as well (it's called liveness verification), example: https://www.jumio.com/technology/live-detection/

The technology exists, right. But have you experienced it anywhere outside of China? I, for one, have not (at least in the UE). I strongly believe that the average western customer is not be willing to go through such a process.

I called Fidelity in the US about my account, and the agent told me the system was taking a voice print, to be used to verify me the next time I called in.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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This is I believe the first time in human history that AI video cameras have been widely deployed, inside private homes, for the purpose of enforcing laws. Never mind the banal details: this is an incredible milestone.

The chinese app wechat already does this in private homes for the purpose of enforcing KYC and "misinformation tracking" - you are required to repeat after it, repeat every phoneme/syllable to form a voiceprint (and coincidentally enough to basically train something to replicate your speech), look straight ahead, rotate around your head, and follow its instructions to sign in again. Also, asking two verified-ID mainl…

Which ever service implements this can be sure to have seen the last of me.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Yep, in the UK. My solicitor required it for kyc for a house purchase during the pandemic

Nice. Mine required me to send them certified originals and a handwritten declaration through the post. Seems I need a more tech-savvy solicitor...

Seems you are in fine hands.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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I wonder if it's even possible for Chinese citizens to play rouge/nethack.

China is the last rouge world superpower, and also rogue.

Cute, but there's lots of rouge around the world - it's even popular in the USA these days.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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This is I believe the first time in human history that AI video cameras have been widely deployed, inside private homes, for the purpose of enforcing laws. Never mind the banal details: this is an incredible milestone.

It's amazing! Hundreds of SciFi writers predicted such surveillance, I dont think many predicted it arrive by invitation - i expect many parents will support this. Same for smart speakers. It's a hairs breadth away from complete audio & video surveillance.

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