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Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by _flux » Wed, Jul 07, 2021, 1:35 PM UTC

dewey wrote: post #273

_flux wrote: post #262

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As privacy invading it is, I can easily see how this would be effective means to curb bad behavior online, such as trolling or spamming—or worse.

> As privacy invading it is, I can easily see how this would be effective means to curb bad behavior online, such as trolling or spamming—or worse. I'm not so sure about that, reading Facebook comment threads on news articles clearly shows that a real name policy isn't really stopping people from misbehaving online.

If Facebook isn't able to make money from moderating such content, then there's no reason to think they would do it.

Might a real name policy have toned down the communication that lead to case Tenacity https://github.com/tenacityteam/tenacity/issues/99 , though?

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by sudosysgen » Wed, Jul 07, 2021, 1:37 PM UTC

parhaml wrote: post #326

sudosysgen wrote: post #308

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Wechat is basically a bank as you can use it to send money, hence KYC. If all the CCP wanted was to build a profile they'd just ask for ID and then scoop up every call you make.

Wechat is basically everything for mainland users. Need to pay registration for car? Wechat Need to verify covid screening to enter the country as a resident? Wechat Need to request a taxi? Wechat Need to pay your electricity bill? Wechat EVERYTHING is done through wechat.

Yes, indeed. That said put in another way, they're just a bank and Facebook at the same time, which is indeed scary. Not that it would be very different if they were different services for spying purposes, the government can always centralize the data.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by joshuaissac » Wed, Jul 07, 2021, 1:38 PM UTC

myrmidon wrote: post #252

firestarter223 wrote: post #216

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On the contrary, the last couple of years (including corona) have shown how much misinformation governments and schools are willing to spread. I worry a lot about the best ways to shield my children from that.

> last couple of years (including corona) have shown how much misinformation governments and schools are willing to spread. I'm genuinely curious-- What specifially are you talking about? I'm having a really hard time coming up with harmful misinformation that is perpetuated intentionally by the education system (or government) in any western country...

At the beginning of the pandemic in the UK, the government was perpetuating misinformation about masks, recommending that people not wear them, even as East Asian countries had made them mandatory.[1][2][3][4] The same misinformation was also spread by US authorities, hoping this would alleviate the mask shortage for healthcare workers.[5][6] Some even admitted this later.[7]

1. "Coronavirus: 'We do not recommend face masks for general wearing'". https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-52153145

2. "Timeline: The UK's arguments against face masks for all". https://newseu.cgtn.com/news/2020-06-06/Timeline-The-UK-s-ar...

3. "Coronavirus: Chief medical officer tells public not to wear masks". https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-...

4. "Why is the Government so adamant that face masks don't work?". https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/15/government-adama...

5. "Why Telling People They Don't Need Masks Backfired". https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/opinion/coronavirus-face-...

6. "The Face Mask Debate Reveals a Scientific Double Standard". https://www.wired.com/story/the-face-mask-debate-reveals-a-s...

7. "Fauci Confirms Public-Health Experts Downplayed Efficacy of Masks to Ensure They Would Be Available to Health-care Workers". https://news.yahoo.com/fauci-confirms-public-health-experts-...

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by mensetmanusman » Wed, Jul 07, 2021, 1:39 PM UTC

calsy wrote: post #320

curiousgal wrote: post #285

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I'm always surprised how people in the US immediately lose their shit at the sight of a child locked in a car. Like yes it is dangerous but it does not automatically make the parent the most horrible person to ever exist. https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/parenting/a22724843/ki...

The idea of an unsupervised child being being cooked in a car as hot as an oven is unsettling to most. Doesn't take long for a child to succumb to the heat. Only couple of months ago in my area a mum had left a 3 year old and baby in the car, walked into her house and fell asleep for an hour. She woke up, realised what happened, ran to the car and the kids were dead. Another more recent incident occurred where a chil…

People gather even if the car is on and the AC is clearly on full blast and the blinkers are on clearly indicating that the adult has just left in the last few minutes.

My wife was screamed at by someone who thought there was zero risk involved in bringing the little ones through an incredibly busy parking lot where everyone drives SUVs and oversized trucks. It’s as if they couldn’t imagine a situation where the parents have already done the risk analysis and determined it is far less safe walking a pack of kids through the jungle of death machines.

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Post by mensetmanusman » Wed, Jul 07, 2021, 1:40 PM UTC

rotebeete wrote: post #260

saithound wrote: post #113

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> But then, this is a gov't that does not trust its citizens to raise their own children, or even historically to decide how many kids to have. The Chinese government is worse than most others, but not for this reason. All governments and societies make all kinds of "tyrannical" rules about raising children, in the name of limiting harm to children. This is no different. In Germany, the government does not trust pare…

> In Germany, the government does not trust parents to home-school their children This is to protect children from their parents, this "anti-excessive-gaming" bullshit is directly attacking personal agency! If you have the resources (time, money, teachers etc.) to get your children the same education they would get in a (german) public school you might as well found a private one. This is even incentivized by federal…

People who value diversity of thought should support edge cases where everyone doesn’t learn the exact same pedagogy.

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Post by nxc18 » Wed, Jul 07, 2021, 1:44 PM UTC

eloisius wrote: post #87

This is clearly (at least to the Western sensibilities) a vast government overreach into private life, but can we marvel for a second at a company employing AI to curb addictive behavior towards its product? I definitely don't agree with the government mandates dictating how and when you can play video games, but it is kind of incredible to see a company use AI for something other than encouraging addictive behavior…

When I spend too much time on TikTok (about an hour I think), it slips in a video of a relatable young person saying something like “hold on! You’ve been scrolling for way too long now!…” or alternatively, “I understand it’s easy to keep watching videos, and trust me I’ve been there before, but those videos will still be there tomorrow. So go get some extra sleep, turn your phone off, do yourself that favor and have a great night”.

The experience is probably the digital equivalent of hitting rock bottom, but it does shame me into stopping and is probably good for my mental health overall.

I can’t imagine a western company doing that for their customers. Can you imagine Facebook actively trying to get you to spend less time on their platform? The closest is Netflix “are you still there?” but they’re just trying to save bandwidth.

Edit: https://www.tiktok.com/@tiktoktips/video/6781608404646464774

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Post by nirui » Wed, Jul 07, 2021, 1:44 PM UTC

helen___keller wrote: post #329

nirui wrote: post #284

I saw no spicy comment here, so let me add my: > a time-sensitive facial recognition ... linked with big data from the central public security system ... "We will conduct a face screening for accounts registered with real names and that have played for a certain period of time at night" ... Facial recognition is a welcome sign So here is the image in my head: A man, Mr Zhao, 35 years old, just finished showering, hal…

Couldn't this argument be made for literally any online service that involves a camera?

Only if that online service uses something called "time-sensitive facial recognition" to capture photo of a person during the most private time of a day.

And given how currently the facial recognition system works, it'll probably ask you to look up, look down and blink all while it records your move. That's a lot of things to be captured.

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Post by Dracophoenix » Wed, Jul 07, 2021, 1:47 PM UTC

sudosysgen wrote: post #321

Tade0 wrote: post #126

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> The Western concept of freedom above everything is a joke in modern society. It is based on the premise that everyone is smart enough to take decisions for themselves. That's a misconception. The actual reasoning is that: 1. Everyone is equal in rights and responsibilities. 2. Those who use their rights wisely bring more value than the cost of decisions of those who don't. For some things 2. doesn't hold, so they'r…

The reasoning you cite is a retcon of the original reasoning that the OP got right. Beyond that, #1 is factually incorrect, Facebook has positive rights that you don't, and #2 almost never holds starting from the realization that you're assuming that profit is inherently wise and that maximizing profit almost always requires the maximization of externatility. So using your rights wisely to your maximum advantage esse…

What "positive rights" does Facebook have? How are you defining value in your last sentence?

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Post by calsy » Wed, Jul 07, 2021, 1:48 PM UTC

mensetmanusman wrote: post #334

calsy wrote: post #320

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The idea of an unsupervised child being being cooked in a car as hot as an oven is unsettling to most. Doesn't take long for a child to succumb to the heat. Only couple of months ago in my area a mum had left a 3 year old and baby in the car, walked into her house and fell asleep for an hour. She woke up, realised what happened, ran to the car and the kids were dead. Another more recent incident occurred where a chil…

People gather even if the car is on and the AC is clearly on full blast and the blinkers are on clearly indicating that the adult has just left in the last few minutes. My wife was screamed at by someone who thought there was zero risk involved in bringing the little ones through an incredibly busy parking lot where everyone drives SUVs and oversized trucks. It’s as if they couldn’t imagine a situation where the pare…

Why are you trying to convince us leaving kids unsupervised in car parks is no big deal? You walk with the child in hand or if you're really concerned just pick them up. Point is there is a responsible parent who is watching and looking after the kids. Parenting isn't easy, its annoying to take kids in for short trip to shops, but you just have to do it.

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Post by mensetmanusman » Wed, Jul 07, 2021, 1:49 PM UTC

sudosysgen wrote: post #318

w0de0 wrote: post #190

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We absolutely can claim moral superiority, while being open to a critique of our hypocrisy - and to changing our ways based on this critique. To do otherwise than seek and claim moral superiority would be to concede to grim relativism; it would be to discard what progress we have made and what rights we still maintain; it would be to abandon an ideal that can yet still lead us to a better world. Lincoln wrote, in ref…

The argument basically boils down to the conclusion that we must keep our superiority complex to keep us sane. I'd rather have a correct assessment of myself. The hypocrisy Lincoln is talking about didn't lead his nation to emancipation, they delayed emancipation by over a hundred years. Emancipation was going to happen much earlier otherwise. There is no claim to moral superiority here. I live in the west and I guar…

But there is superiority; I have a colleague from China who accidentally pulled out their phone to read news while within sight where there was a protest going on.

They were then visited on the weekend for eight hours for intense interviews to make sure he wasn’t involved in the ‘government criticism’. He says this is a regular situation.

If you think this is a routine thing in America, you might be mistaken, but it is very routine in China.

If you don’t think comparing average situations is related at all to average moral differences in political systems, you might be mistaken. I can see how being trained in moral relativism would lead to this conclusion though…