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Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by sudosysgen »

Tade0 wrote: post #126
anonymousacc1 wrote: post #114

Here we see an article in which a tech company is using AI in order to protect people from addiction. And we have the Western free-speech aficionados complaining about surveillance while their society is practically crumbling due to the freedom inherent in it (read drug abuse, social media addiction, sex, alcohol and porn addiction). They couldn't get themselves to wear simple masks during covid because of a requirem…

> The Western concept of freedom above everything is a joke in modern society. It is based on the premise that everyone is smart enough to take decisions for themselves. That's a misconception. The actual reasoning is that: 1. Everyone is equal in rights and responsibilities. 2. Those who use their rights wisely bring more value than the cost of decisions of those who don't. For some things 2. doesn't hold, so they'r…

The reasoning you cite is a retcon of the original reasoning that the OP got right.

Beyond that, #1 is factually incorrect, Facebook has positive rights that you don't, and #2 almost never holds starting from the realization that you're assuming that profit is inherently wise and that maximizing profit almost always requires the maximization of externatility. So using your rights wisely to your maximum advantage essentially never brings the most value.

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Post by bordercases »

sudosysgen wrote: post #308
slumdev wrote: post #301

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Know Your Customer" In the West, KYC means that a bank is going to ask to see your ID before letting you open an account. In China, KYC means that, in order to use something as pedestrian as social media, you have to let the CCP AI dragnet build a profile that can be used to surveil you for the rest of your life.

Wechat is basically a bank as you can use it to send money, hence KYC. If all the CCP wanted was to build a profile they'd just ask for ID and then scoop up every call you make.

> If all the CCP wanted was to build a profile

They do.

> they'd just ask for ID and then scoop up every call you make.

Which they do through Wechat. You're making a distinction without a difference.

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Post by sudosysgen »

w0de0 wrote: post #218
anonymousacc1 wrote: post #114

Here we see an article in which a tech company is using AI in order to protect people from addiction. And we have the Western free-speech aficionados complaining about surveillance while their society is practically crumbling due to the freedom inherent in it (read drug abuse, social media addiction, sex, alcohol and porn addiction). They couldn't get themselves to wear simple masks during covid because of a requirem…

The Western concept of “freedom” - more precisely, of rights unalienably reserved to individuals, families, and private societies, even at the expense of optimal outcomes for society at large - does not assume or require the sensible judgement of its beneficiaries. As another poster alluded, this is a misconception of freedom’s purpose: it does not exist so that society may be optimally ordered, but because it is the…

The Western concept of freedom in many western tradition definitely assumes that the person exercising the freedom knows what is best for them. Actually, this is how we in the West operatively define utility, not as what you actively need but as what you think you need.

Which as the OP underlined is exactly why advertising for example in the Western economic tradition brings positive utility, because we assume that people know what is useful to them.

Beyond that, it's simply incorrect that our "freedom" means we aren't subordinate to the wills of society - we are, because we require resources to survive which the state has ordained are controlled by other people, which requires ourselves to subordinate to the will of others. No matter how you get around it, as long as you have property you are doomed to live a subordinate life unless you're very lucky. This is a false dichotomy written by people who didn't rid themselves of religious doctrine enough to understand that negative rights cannot exist without a violent state instead of being simply inherent.

Beyond that, limiting restrictions on businesses is philosophically the same as restricting individuals, businesses are simply collections of individuals. Crucially though businesses are already functionally almost completely restricted to the profit motive, but that's an effect of the property system and of the role of the state more than anything else.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by gruez »

lmm wrote: post #63
gruez wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I'd expect the staff to be able to recognise my face Right, but that ability is limited to them. If I want to opt out of the tracking, all I have to do is shop at another store, or wait until they forget. Worst case I can flee to another town. On the other hand the tencent surveillance botnet is (or will be) omnipresent. You won't be able to avoid it because they'll have cameras everywhere. >but I probably wouldn't…

> If I want to opt out of the tracking, all I have to do is shop at another store Until recently it was quite normal that stores wouldn't let you in if you were covering your face. > Maybe not at a store, but handing your credit card to the waiter at a restaurant is still pretty common. WTF? Not where I live it isn't. Even pre-Corona people knew not to let someone else touch your card.

>Until recently it was quite normal that stores wouldn't let you in if you were covering your face.

The point isn't that you can cover your face, it's that the recognition ability is limited to that one employee at the store. That means if you don't want to be recognized you can go to another store/town (yes, your face is still visible but unless you're starting a commotion you'll be forgotten in less than 24 hours).

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Post by peanut_worm »

_flux wrote: post #262
ev1 wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The chinese app wechat already does this in private homes for the purpose of enforcing KYC and "misinformation tracking" - you are required to repeat after it, repeat every phoneme/syllable to form a voiceprint (and coincidentally enough to basically train something to replicate your speech), look straight ahead, rotate around your head, and follow its instructions to sign in again. Also, asking two verified-ID mainl…

As privacy invading it is, I can easily see how this would be effective means to curb bad behavior online, such as trolling or spamming—or worse.

I hope there are very few people with your mentality

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Post by parhaml »

sudosysgen wrote: post #308
slumdev wrote: post #301

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Know Your Customer" In the West, KYC means that a bank is going to ask to see your ID before letting you open an account. In China, KYC means that, in order to use something as pedestrian as social media, you have to let the CCP AI dragnet build a profile that can be used to surveil you for the rest of your life.

Wechat is basically a bank as you can use it to send money, hence KYC. If all the CCP wanted was to build a profile they'd just ask for ID and then scoop up every call you make.

Wechat is basically everything for mainland users.

Need to pay registration for car? Wechat

Need to verify covid screening to enter the country as a resident? Wechat

Need to request a taxi? Wechat

Need to pay your electricity bill? Wechat

EVERYTHING is done through wechat.

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Post by 93po »

anonymouszx wrote: post #272

>2018 >wake up feeling sick after a late night of playing video games >excited to play some halo infinite >"xbox on" >"XBOX ON" >"Please verify that you are "annon332" by saying Doritos™ Dew™ it right!" >"ERROR! Please drink a verification can" >reach into my Dontos Mountain Halo War Chest >only a few cans left, needed to verify 14 times last night >still feeling sick from the 14 >force it down and grumble out "mmmm…

Xbox actually recently came out with an Xbox branded minifridge and it immediately made me think of this. Sounds like it's an april fools joke but Im pretty sure it's legit

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Post by helen___keller »

nirui wrote: post #284

I saw no spicy comment here, so let me add my: > a time-sensitive facial recognition ... linked with big data from the central public security system ... "We will conduct a face screening for accounts registered with real names and that have played for a certain period of time at night" ... Facial recognition is a welcome sign So here is the image in my head: A man, Mr Zhao, 35 years old, just finished showering, hal…

Couldn't this argument be made for literally any online service that involves a camera?

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Post by HideousKojima »

russli1993 wrote: post #254
gentleman11 wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This company has a stake in many American companies. How chilling

Tencent is doing this to comply to Chinese laws. They won't do this if there is no such law. And the law says: "internet gaming companies have responsibility to not provide internet gaming service to minors between 10pm and 8am". I am sure tencent won't want to do this if they had the chance. 1) it limits their ability to get play time and sell to kids. 2) its more work on their end. So the main problem here is the l…

>Tencent is doing this to comply to Chinese laws.

Tencent, like all major Chinese corporations, is just a thinly veiled extension of the Chinese state. And I'm sure someone will try a "no u" about Facebook etc. effectively being extensions of the US government but that doesn't change the reality of how all major corps in China operate.

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